Albo

[librarian]

Does anyone remember this bull? Who was Thornwood? Was this milking type stuff?
Thanks

 

[justintime]

I remember seeing Albo as a yearling at Graham land and Cattle Co. in Minnesota. He was straight milking Shorthorn breeding. The Thornwood herd was a milking Shorthorn herd that had more muscling than some other lines of that day but they were still closer to the dairy side than the beef side of the breed.
Albo was super smooth and moderate framed like his sire Columbus. I can't remember who ended up buying him, and it doesn't show who it was here. If I can find my old Graham sale catalog I would probably have it written down

 

[beebe]

JIT, would you still consider him moderate today?

 

[justintime]

JIT, would you still consider him moderate today?

I am only going my memory, and that can be scary... but I am going to say he would be considered on the high end of what is considered moderate today. I don't remember him as being big framed. His sire, Columbus was actually very moderate framed and I think Albo was closer to what Columbus was. He had the same smoothness that Columbus had. Columbus was one of the smoothest made bulls I have ever seen. I have often wondered if there was any Columbus semen still kicking around. It might be interesting to use him with some of today's cattle, and see what we get.

 

[r.n.reed]

Kiblercattle should be able to tell you all about Albo

 

[kiblercattle]

Kiblercattle should be able to tell you all about Albo

Not sure what rnreed means I ve never heard of albo before this thread.

 

[r.n.reed]

I met Jim Kibler in 1982 at the Dixie National.The National Hereford show was down there that year and he was in charge of a string of herefords from Oklahoma I believe.I was down there with the Land of Lincoln Reds and we stalled right across from them.Over the next few days I learned that his family had an Angus herd and just a few Shorthorn cows and a white bull called Albo.I remember him commenting that the bull had more beef type expression than a lot of the Graham cattle and that they were getting some amazing results using him on their Angus cows.The Graham cattle that were more intensly line bred to Scottshill Major Clark tended to exhibit more of a beef type like Sugar Magnolia for example.Unfortunately there were no figures to prove that they or their offspring produced beef more efficiently.
I saw the dam of Albo down at Sichts in Missouri and to this day I would call her one of the most beautiful cows I have ever laid eyes on.She was a full sister to Thornwood Major.The Thornwood line was the only cow line in the 1970's Graham herd that went back to their original Dairy herd that Dispersed in 1959.This line had an extra shot of Meadowbrook breeding and brought more of the Pride of Meadowbrook influence to the table.One trait this line could offer the breed today is longevity.I think Thornwood Royal Dot was flushed when she was 15 or 16 years old.I also wonder what type of animal will prove to be the most efficient for these new cow calf confinement systems and wonder if the old dual type might have a place there.
Getting back to the Dixie National,Jim had a Native American girl working for him that could put a show day hairball on a rat tail,and I am still ticked about spending the whole week in the wash rack trying to get the dingleberries off those darn Lincoln Reds.

 

[kiblercattle]

That's funny must be a different Jim Kibler, that's my grandpas name as well. At that point in te we didn't have any angus but did have a white bull named Dingo. I know there some mor Kiblers back east must be a different one.

 

[r.n.reed]

Yes this guy was from Virginia,I thought your family might have migrated west.

 

[kiblercattle]

my ancestors are from Virginia but they migrated west about 1862 but that's funny how someone you've never met is breeding the same breeds of cattle with the same name in another part of the u.s

 

[librarian]

Thanks rn, those are good stories. It was a winding road that led me to Albo (of course)
Recently it dawned on me that the dam of Marellan Super Dazzler was sired by DCC Prophet. This had eluded me because I just thought he was a bunch of Australian stuff and didn't look at his pedigree much. Super Dazzler is in all my Shorthorns thru Dream Weaver and Impossible Dream.
So, I renewed my DCC Prophet and Hilltop Lancer studies. An old rn post mentioned Fieser's Teri Star,so I looked at her and got real interested in her dam, Fieser's Thornwood Teri- sired by ALBO. Very intriguing.
Our friend Nelco McLeod casts a long shadow.
I'd this dark red bull Prophet?

 

[librarian]

A Nelco question:
Do you remember Nelco Ransom Chief?

 

[cflem]

The first Shorthorn I bought in 1976 was a full sister to the Loewen's Defender June cow in Teri Star's pedigree. She was a red polled double registered heifer calf. I remember seeing her sister at Fieser's when we looked at the heifers. She was never as big as the grand dam of Teri Star, but was extremely productive and raised lots of calves for me and helped pay my way thru college. We bred her to HHKA Buttercup's Prince 20th of Hubs for her first calf that was a bull. She raised 4 or 5 heifers by a Hub's Selector son we had got from Fieser's that we used for while. They were all bigger than their mother and were good cows.
A side note on Albo. I got an Albo daughter from Dean Fieser with a few cows that he traded me for showing some cattle one year. She was the best cow on them but was 11 years old when I got her. She was here until she was 15 and still had an udder like a 5'year old when I shipped her. She was very good structurally and had above
Average bone for a shorthorn cow at that time. She had a white bull calf that was
Sold for a show steer and a white heifer that we showed some and kept for a cow. They were by a Deerpark Leader son that we got from 7T's.

 

[librarian]

cflem, that sounds like a Golden Age of Shorthorns.
Mr. Fieser used an interesting bull last year, Maverick, that was out of Ball Dee Perfect Count on the Maid of Promise 189th cow. I really respect him.
Here is a picture of Buttercup Prince 20th. I read somewhere, sometime, that he was extra good.
From the perspective of those days, I also wonder what moderate means. I'm guessing 1400 lbs?

 

[cflem]

I always thought that those old dual purpose Milking Shorthorn cows were some of the best cows I ever owned. When we started with Shortorns in the mid-70's, there were several herds of this kind of cows in Kansas. They were ran as cow-calf type operations. They were bigger than the beef Shorthorns and probably averaged 1200-1350 pounds.
The Hubs cattle were a really good set of cows and were probably a little bigger than average. I looked thru them in the early 80's and still think they are one of the best set of cows of any breed I ever looked at. They were the results of a line breeding program going back to the 50's and were extremely uniform in type with exceptional udders. Another herd that I always thought were exceptional was at Wayne Mckee's in Iowa. Wayne used some Hubs bulls and his cattle were bigger than the Hubs cattle but that may have been due to the environment. The first time I was at McKee's, Wayne had a group of cows that were by Barrinton Grand Duke that I thought were some of the best big cows I had ever seen. They were all teenagers(15-18 yrs old) mostly red and would have weighed 1700-2000 pounds. All of them still had good
Udders and all of had calves at side.
I had the privilege to show a lot of the Fieser cattle and won a lot with them. One I remember was a bull names Evergreen CT Kendall. He as a Evergreen Seville son that I showed for Dean as a 2 yr old. This would have been as the frame score race
Was starting to slow down and he was huge. Probably 66 inches tall and he weighed 2880 in Denver and was weighed fairly empty. He won Kansas City and was Res grand at Ft. Worth that season.

 

[RyanChandler]

Mr. Fieser used an interesting bull last year, Maverick, that was out of Ball Dee Perfect Count on the Maid of Promise 189th cow. I really respect him.

Maverick son Galbreath Farms has for sale - lot 17
http://www.galbreathfarms.com/Sales/2016Bulls/Galbreath%202016.pdf
http://youtu.be/0fP4j_ZPcqM

 

[oakview]

Albo was shown by a young man named Terry Kibler that I met on the show circuit when he was showing the bull.  (I hope my memory is correct)  Terry had a herd of all white Shorthorns in Virginia.  He did trick roping on the show/rodeo circuit.  He showed us some rope tricks, I think in Louisville, back in the day.  He impressed me.  Albo was, in my opinion, larger framed than Great White Hope, a half brother sired by Columbus.  Neither was anywhere near the frame size of Clark, though.  He was probably the most widely used of the Graham bulls in the States as we were racing for frame size.  I have about 40 units of Columbus semen.  Maybe this is the year I try it on some of our present day genetics.  I just delivered a bull to Dean Fieser on our way to the WHR sale.  I always charge Dean the usual fee of a large Coke on ice.  I am absolutely thrilled to be getting our first calves sired by Fieser's Wesley this spring.  I thought he was the best Shorthorn bull I've ever seen when I first saw him.  Visitors from club calf to purebred have been similarly impressed.  If you know Wayne Temple, ask him what he thinks.  We hadn't even backed out of the drive way when he started calling people about the bull after seeing him.  We're in the process of getting some better photos than the one I used last summer that Dean had taken in his pen.  I've been around a long time and I haven't seen a Shorthorn bull like this.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The last time I saw Terry Kiblers cattle was in 95 or so. They had a furniture store outside of Woodstock and some of the cattle were behind the store-all were white. He had bought a huge white bull from Jane Braughtigan in Ohio-Jams Rosalees Grover if I can remember right. After that-they just disappeared,never saw them or him again. O0

 

[librarian]

Looks like Columbus could be pretty useful.