I really get a big bang out of those guys telling you a Angus cow won't work making a clubby , proably everyone of them is using Monopoly, Eye CANDY -Out of Gallway cow and to me there jst a hairy Angus ,and I know there are some Heat Wave sires out there with Angus momma's , I have a real soggy Angus cow that I flushed to FRICTION ,GOT 5 DAMM GOOD CALVES .. iT ALL KNOWING WHAT TO put in the gun when your hunting for a good one whether it is Angus, Charolais or clubby .... Jamie