Dairy buyout

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ROAD WARRIOR

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I've been thinking about this some the last few days. There is an overabundance of milk apperantly so the government is going to buy a bunch of dairy cows to decrease production. To my way of thinking this is a temporary fix as the dairies will simply put more heifers into production and sooner or later be right back in the same fix. Also if we as beef producers would overproduce more beef in the same fashion, would the government offer us a buy out? It looks to me like the beef producers will suffer from this because of the number of dairy cows going to slaughter and the dairy industry will only benefit from it for a short time. Anybody know something about this that I don't? RW
 

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one problem with your logic.  the dairy industry serves several government supported food programs.  it's in their interest to manage the economy.  out here, dairies are working with several government agencies to finance several large scale projects to contain runoff, manure, gas capture to create electricity.  what's happening, is that the threshold for a minimum dairy size is being influenced by all of this.  it's just more consolidation, and therefore easier to control by city populations who outvote ag interests.  out here, hay prices have come down.  that will be short lived as water is about to go through the roof.
 

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From what I have heard, it is costing more to produce a gallon of milk than the dairyman is getting for it.  I don't like the buyout, but it doesn't suprise me.  They are trying to increase the price of an already high price milk.  Thus making it harder for people that are just making it to give proper nutrition to there family, thus more welfare for everyone.  It will help the dairyman for a while, but hurt the beef industry for the same amount of time if not longer, but then again milk is considered a necessity and beef is considered a luxury.  Next thing you know beef will be taxed like any other luxury good.  OK I am done now.   :mad:
 

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My uncle has a small dairy, he milks about 60 head, he was told on average he would lose 2 dollars a hundred and not really any hope of it getting better till at least the end of the year. A big bull calf he is lucky to get 20 bucks for it at the sale barn
 

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I doubt that the government will bail out the beef industry if feeder calves drop to 50 cents a pound or less. I think Knabe is probably on track in his part of the world - the Government and dairies are married to each other. The dairies that are not in the "golden dairy belt" are simply benefitting from the huge dairies that are in bed with the goverment. I survive soley on the beef business for the majority of my income, I have never liked the government involvement private industry whether it is car makers, dairies, row crops, etc. No one forces you to build more cars than you can sell, produce more milk,corn,beans, etc than the market demands. I wonder if there is truley a supply and demand concept left. RW
 

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i just had a thought.

government is actually supply side.  they are supplying more government than we need, but instead of the price going down, everything goes up.

i'm not sure there are lot's of people struggling to feed their families, as we are the fattest nation in the history of the world. 

to me, fat is simply a savings mechanism that has been misapplied.  it's proof they can save, they just need help accumulating weight inside a piggy bank.  to bad piggy banks don't have endorphins.  my family has struggled with weight, and it can be terrible.  i know it's not easy to lose weight, it just makes me almost cry when i see obese kids when they aren't even 7 years old.  there's 2 heavy kids in my daughter's class, and already they have a stigma.  i don't have any idea of what one can do.

subsidies actually inflate land prices, raising the cost of milk.  not drilling for oil, not using nuclear, raises the cost of fuel, raising the cost of milk.  can't see why this is so hard to see.  we keep just adding more, and yes, pelosi and the democrat congress just added more a little bit ago.
 

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knabe said:
  we keep just adding more, and yes, pelosi and the democrat congress just added more a little bit ago.

But after they just spent a Trillion bucks they are going to cut the deficit in half in 3 years.  BS and they are talking about being fisicaly responsible???  BS I can't believe that the vast majority of the American people are going to swallow this.  And my Kids are going to have to deal with the mistakes made by a Pres. that ran on strictly emotions. 
 

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I think RW may be right because as I understand the new program this buy out plan only affects individual cows and not the owners.  The buy out back in the late 80's or early 90's took the cows to slaughter and prevented the owner from entering back into dairy farming for a set period of time.  The new plan only stops a farmer until he can get his heifers fresh and into production.
 

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This program is not a Government program it is a program put together by a group of dairy coops called Cooperatives Working Together.  They work with their producers to reduce the dairy herd numbers.  The USDA does have some dairy programs, but a buyout is not one of them.
 

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There may be a cooperative but I'e been told there is another USDA program coming with a buyout. It's been the word around here at school among some of the more influential people.
 

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N2ShowN said:
This program is not a Government program it is a program put together by a group of dairy coops called Cooperatives Working Together.  They work with their producers to reduce the dairy herd numbers.  The USDA does have some dairy programs, but a buyout is not one of them.

Then why was there money in the spending bill for a dairy buyout?
 

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what's the difference between opec and the buyout or coop?

not really saying any are bad, or that even price fixing is bad as long as we know it's being done.
 

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From last Fridays edition of the Western United Dairymen's newsletter

51,000 cows removed in latest round

Cooperatives Working Together (CWT) has finished the
farm audits of its sixth herd retirement round since the
program’s inception in 2003. This round removed 50,630
cows that produced almost one billion pounds of milk per
year. At the completion of the on-farm auditing process
earlier this month, CWT removed 186 herds in 33 states,
comprised of nearly 51,000 cows that produced 976 million
pounds of milk. These figures reflect the number of
dairies successfully audited. (Continued page 2)

(Continued from page 1) Herds with bids accepted in this round were audited
in December, January, and early February. CWT had received 471 bids
from 40 states during the bidding process last fall. As has been the case
with its previous herd retirement rounds, most of the cows removed were
in the western region of the country. This round also removed 1,240 bred
heifers. In the west, bids were accepted from 49 farms representing
23,773 cows and 497.9 million pounds of milk. The average bid, nationally,
was $6.87 per hundredweight.

This is not a government program or bailout, it is a industry funded that the dairy industry has had in place for a few years.  As of right now there is NO government buyout program in place.

Where in the stimulous package did you read this??
 

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I will try to find the link for you guys.  The section in the bail out for dairys was supported by 34 senators.  It is not the bail out as you think of it.  The goverment is going to buy only dairy products as in dry milk, cheese, butter.  It is not going to remove cows out of production.  The products purchased are going to be supplied to the USDA food program.  I thought exactly the same when I heard as all of you.  It was not until I read the actual letter and bill.
 

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I was reading an article somewhere just a couple days ago about the dairy buyout that puts a little different twist to it.  I'll try to find a link to that article...  Basically what the writer was saying is that the DB will cause the consumer to assume that hamburger will be cheap so they will buy larger quantities..  While I'm sure I don't have the exact figures - there was a wild (imo) prediction of $8 (?) hamburger & $4 Ribeye.  The article also talked about our current beef herd being in a very low cycle and once feedlots get current, there are fewer numbers to replace...    Interesting read .. now to find where I found it...
 

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The dairy in our little town took part in the reduction program, one day the cows were there the next day nothing except Canadian geese eating weeds in the pasture. The article in the local paper stated that they would not be going back into the business.  They will ride out the econimic down turn and when land prices go up sell the land, 80 acres in SoCal on flat ground, should sell for about  4 million or more. Plus the fact the environmetal regulations would have driven them out at some time, more that 70% of the dairies in our area have sold out or moved out of the county.
 

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the last post is the problem in a nutshell.  even though replacing the dairy with all the people that will now live on 80 acres, they will create more pollution and demand for yet more services.  all the while, CA is losing population, especially high wage earners.  150,000 (legal) last year alone.

it's going to be difficult to tear down the houses and devalue the property tax base.  in fact, i haven't seen one example of an area reclaimed from a city for ag use.  an example must be out there.

the problem is the conversion of low tax yielding property into high tax yielding property, and mandating and regulating other industries out of business.

i still maintain that at some point there will be a test case for secession of a rural area to be it's own county at some point.  maybe even to be it's own state.
 

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Will a dairy buyout happen?
By Drovers news staff  |  Wednesday, February 04, 2009




Beef producers were concerned last week when news items suggested Congress was considering a 300,000-head dairy buyout as part of the economic stimulus package. The industry might have overreacted though, as the House version of the stimulus package did not contain any provisions for a dairy buyout.

According to a California newspaper, a drop in milk prices to $9 per hundredweight is prompting dairy organizations, including California-based Western United Dairymen, to continue to push for a dairy termination program that will take approximately 300,000 cows out of production.

According to the report, Cooperatives Working Together, a national coalition of regional co-ops that represents 62 percent of U.S. milk production, is supposed to be discussing the plan in more detail this week.

To get to the bottom of the issue, AgriTalk radio host Mike Adams yesterday interviewed Michael Marsh, CEO of Western United Dairymen, and Colin Woodall, Executive Director of Legislative Affairs for NCBA. Marsh says that while there is a need for assistance for the dairy industry, there was no push for stimulus money for a buyout. He said the only mention of the buyout was in a National Cattlemen’s Beef Association press release opposing the idea. But NCBA’s Woodall says dairy interests were indeed shopping the buyout package around Capitol Hill, and NCBA pushed back to protect beef prices.
 

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KLA: Dairy Buyout Not Included In House Stimulus Package



Neither the stimulus package passed by the full U.S. House or the version under consideration in the U.S. Senate contains a government-funded dairy buyout program. Contrary to earlier reports, the National Milk Producers Federation (NMPF) is not seeking the inclusion of a buyout in the stimulus bill.



NMPF members prefer a voluntary, industry-funded herd reduction through the Cooperatives Working Together (CWT) program. The KLA Dairy Committee supports the self-help approach represented by CWT as opposed to a government buyout.



Farm-level milk prices are nearly 50% less than a year ago, according to NMPF. When combined with historically high input costs, this is forcing liquidation in the dairy herd.
 

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Dairy cows head for slaughter as milk prices sour
By TRACIE CONE – Feb 16, 2009

TURLOCK, Calif. (AP) — Hundreds of thousands of America's dairy cows are being turned into hamburgers because milk prices have dropped so low that farmers can no longer afford to feed the animals.

Dairy farmers say they have little choice but to sell part of their herds for slaughter because they face a perfect storm of destructive economic forces. At home, feed prices are rising and cash-strapped consumers are eating out less often. Abroad, the global recession has cut into demand for butter and cheese exported from the U.S.

Prices for milk now are about half what it costs farmers to produce the staple, and consumer prices are falling. Unless the market can be bolstered, industry officials project that more than 1.5 million of the nation's 9.3 million milking cows could be slaughtered this year as dairy operators look to cut costs and generate cash.

"This could destroy our dairy infrastructure," said Mike Marsh, CEO of the United Western Dairymen trade association.

Three months ago, mature milkers would sell for $2,500 to another dairy, but with nobody buying, dairymen are selling them on the beef market for only $1,100 each.

It is not just elderly cows that are going to slaughter, said Jon Dolieslager, owner of the Tulare County Stockyard in the heart of California dairy country.

The 262,500 slaughtered nationally in January is 43,500 more than in January 2008. Since September, federal livestock reports show that dairy cow slaughter is up 30 percent, while beef cow slaughter is down 14 percent.

"If milk was worth something, they'd be keeping them," said Dolieslager.

Some dairymen have become so desperate that they are not even bothering to haul to feedlots the newborns whose births keep milk flowing at higher levels.

Investigators in San Joaquin County are trying to determine who dumped 30 dead bull calves on country roads to avoid rendering costs or hauling them to auction, where they fetch $5 each but cost hundreds and hundreds more to bottle feed special formula. The group Farm Sanctuary is offering a $2,000 reward for the culprit.

"Apparently it was someone trying to save money who just dumped them," said Susie Coston, the group's national shelter director.

As of Feb. 2, the price farmers receive for a gallon of milk has been 80 cents a gallon, less than half the $1.65 a gallon the California Department of Food and Agriculture estimates it costs to produce.

"I don't ever remember being able to produce milk at that price," said dairyman Ray Souza, who got into the business in 1963.

The new price was the biggest one-month drop in 54 years in California and doomed cow No. 4424, a fat Holstein who instinctively lumbers to her place in the milk line but has become an economic liability at Souza's dairy.

"She's not giving enough milk," Souza said as he scanned computer records showing output for each of his 900 milkers. "She can't stay here."

The price is set by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and is based on the price paid for powdered milk, where 37 percent of California's milk is sold. Only 14 percent goes into sales as liquid milk.

U.S. milk, butter and cheese, which enjoyed record worldwide sales last year, no longer are in demand because of the triple whammy of decreased international consumption in a falling economy, a stronger dollar that makes exports less attractive and the scare over melamine contamination in Chinese milk.

Those trade issues have coincided with a three-year California drought that has increased the price and availability of alfalfa hay, and corn costs that have doubled because of competition from ethanol producers.

"We need to get supply and demand into alignment as quickly as possible so this economic trainwreck isn't strung out," said Marsh of the industry association.
 
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