Likelyhood of a false heat?

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farmboy

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went and watched cows for a bit and one was in heat. i told you the AI guy got 12/13, now im thinking 11 for 13. its totally out of line though. i was told to watch 18 -24 days after breeding (May 9th) and here it is june 9th and she has mucus coming out and is riding the bull and he is trying to ride her. I've read about false heats on here before, how common is that? she is (was?) bred to naughty pine. was really excited for that one  :-\
 

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Similar question, heifer in heat AI rodman... Clearly standing all that day... 7 days later lots of interest from bull but standing not noted ? thoughts?:
 

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I hope I am not right Zach but you may loose more than the one. The CIDRS are meant to stay in for 7 days so you may not have giving the cows enough time to get the repro system to where you wanted. If that makes sense. I myself hate the things and only use as a last resort. Your cow that came in probably should have come in today on her terms but the drugs and all,  messed her up. How long from calving were these cows? Like I said I hope I am wrong but I have used CIDRS, had the cow go over one heat then in another 21 days they come in and get bull bred. I know others have good luck with them but they can be deceiving on when a cow is truly in heat and not just gelling and such. Frostie
 

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I would assume it is a full-on heat. In my experience, I have noted anytime after AI date if the bull is showing interest. If he is just hanging around a cow most of the time but I never see anyone riding, I make a note of it and nearly everytime they did not stick to the AI date. I just had one this week that came in heat a full 30 days after the AI date. Seems to be a wierd time but I am sure the CIDRs caught her mid-cycle or something.

I hope I am wrong but that is how things have been at our place.
 

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We have a few cows that show false heats everytime a bull or new cow is put in the pasture no matter how far along they are.  I have watched the bull breed them yet they calve to the ai date everytime.
 

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This sounds like it is very likely what we all call EED -- Early Embryonic Death.

There aremany factors that make or break a pregnancy. Some times, it takes VERY little to kill one, wheather it is enviromental stress , change of feed, infection, heat -- etc!

I have never seen a program that uses a 3 day Cidr insertion. That makes absolutely no sense from a repro standpoint, due inpart to the fact that if a cow was inheat a doy before insertion, she will NOT have had time to rebuild a CL before you took them out and gave prostoglandin -- thus inducing regresion anda new heat. Unless a cow has afunctional CL on that day, she will NOT respond to the shot of Lutelyse or Estrumate. Period

She has either failed to maintain pregnancy, or was never inheat to begin with when he bred her (Most likely the case from breeding a timed event) and has just sycled on her own now. Either way she is open, a pregnant cow will never show a large amount of clear mucus like your's just did!

Chalk it up to the good old pasture UNIVERSITY -- hehehehe

Good luck with the rest of them!

Terry
 

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cowboy, she was definitely in heat when we bred. she was one of the few that that actually showed heat (riding and such) and idk about the 3 day thing but the guy who did it is what i would call a pro at cattle stuff, hoof trimming, clipping, AI'ing and everything you can think of. I wouldn't doubt him or his technique for a minute. oh well, guess you can't get all of em stuck. chalk another one up for bully, i know he likes to breed cows  :D
 

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I feel your pain ZACH i bred a heifer 3 weeks ago and thought she was perfect ,inseminator said lots of mucous on the rod when he pulled it out,looked at her yesterday she had a big stream of mucous and carrying her tail ,bull had obviosly got her.I was excited for this mating too she is a black brockle and i AIed her to GIGOLO JOE,oh well it will still be a maine calf but i don't know how easy a calver the new bull is,wait and see next march.
 

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We AI-ed my daughter's show heifer last year about 10 days before county fair. While at fair she bled like a stuck pig. I though for sure she didn't take. But she did, we had a calf right on schedule.
 

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zach said:
cowboy, she was definitely in heat when we bred. she was one of the few that that actually showed heat (riding and such) and idk about the 3 day thing but the guy who did it is what i would call a pro at cattle stuff, hoof trimming, clipping, AI'ing and everything you can think of. I wouldn't doubt him or his technique for a minute. oh well, guess you can't get all of em stuck. chalk another one up for bully, i know he likes to breed cows  :D
Not to throw on cold water, but, the statement about very few showing heat signs would greatly concern me.  How do you know some of them were ever cycling so theyd even come back in for a second heat if they were missed
 

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zach said:
7 or 8 showed signs out of 13. all had a lot of mucus on the AI date and he said they were all in heat.
Hmmm.  "one of the few that showed heat"  must mean over half, 7 or 8 was over half of thirteen back when i was taught math.  don't know if that's still taught that way to youngsters, but i'd guess ;)
 

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I wanna be special too!!!  :'(  Our AI'er almosts always says the cows are in good heats, even when she hasnt been standing. But he has done good for us in the past so I'm gonna trust with any decisions he makes. Does everyone use CIDRs and Lutilize? We've never used either always bred natural heats, only had one that had to go to the bull. But then again theres only seven cows.
 
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