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[librarian]

While trying to digest the information about variability in chromosomal transmitting ability and prepotence, I was wondering about Diamond Captain Mark 27C.
I wondered where the majority of his genes had come from and how that worked in the distinctive type of his daughters. (in my limited knowledge)
I am curious about the breeding on the top side of his MGS,  and more curious about what Four Point was doing with their cows.
They seem to have a very similarly bred group of Corona cows that they were crossing with Coronet bulls.
How are those lines similar or different?

 

[oakview]

Captain Mark 27 C has about as much variation in him as you can possibly get in Shorthorn genetics.  (Not saying that's bad)  Traditional beef lines, dual purpose through Clark and G-9 2975's dam, Irish (Leggs), and Lincoln Red (Claydene Ever Ready).  Depending upon whether you believe G-9's pedigree or not, there could be little Maine in there, too.  Photos are readily available of many of the sires in the pedigree.  JIT knows a lot more about the Four Point cattle, although some were used extensively in the states.  I've got semen on 2975 and old G-9.  Wondering what to use it on (or if!).

 

[librarian]

It's all that diversity in the breeding of 27C that makes me wonder if some ancestor is making a disproportionate contribution to his genotype.
The Four Point cows just really got my attention, even though they are so far back. Wondering if anyone remembers setting them.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I have semen also and persons who would defineitly know put cunia as g-9s sire or grandsire-and 2975 is definely not dual on either side from what Ive been told-I think you can clearly see the mix in Millbrooke Mark 4-especially pins to hooks-2975 worked like gangbusters on moderate thick shorthorn cows-and UB Dorothy at Oakview clearly fits the type. I just dont know that a 2975 would be thick enuff-G 9 might be-but compared to a Wesley calf or something like Jits big roan bull-or a Double Down son, I dont know. WHAT DID 2975s look like Oakview? O0 O0

 

[oakview]

My opinion of the 2975s was long headed, a little heavy fronted, perhaps even wedge-shaped and high in the flank, maybe not as heavy quartered as even some of the other cattle of the era.  They were big.  I liked several other G-9 sons, particularly Sutherland Ransom 179.  The female side of that pedigree, though, was entirely opposite of 2975.  2975 was most popular in his day because of his size and the desire to increase performance.  There were some daughters with problem udders, although I can't guarantee that's where it came from. 

 

[librarian]

Oakview, that's interesting about the Lincoln Red. Was Claydene a Lincoln Red herd?
Do you consider Clark and Columbus dual purpose?
What are the dual purpose animals in 27C's pedigree? I'm always trying to learn to justify identify the herds.
Thanks

 

[Okotoks]

Oakview, that's interesting about the Lincoln Red. Was Claydene a Lincoln Red herd?
Do you consider Clark and Columbus dual purpose?
What are the dual purpose animals in 27C's pedigree? I'm always trying to learn to justify identify the herds.
Thanks

As Oakview pointed out Diamond Captain Mark 27C has several different Shorthorn bloodlines including some Lincoln Red. He is the result of mating 2 animals from two of the best herds of shorthorn cattle I have seen. We purchased Bodmin HM Albert Mark 71A as a yearling bull from Proctors herd in Ontario. I had visited the herd a few years prior and was impressed by the deep bodied easy keeping cows. They had excellent feet and superb udders. One of the herd bulls at the time was Greenrow Lodestar 26L. He was an impressive bull with the best set of feet, an easy moving stride, thickness and a herd bull look. Ross Proctor sent me the results of their bull test in 1992 and photos of the dams of the ones I was interested in. All the bulls I looked at were by their herd bull Hallmark a very high performance son of Marc 1V. I had always been a fan of the Marc 1V offspring I had seen and liked the muscle pattern they exhibited. We selected 71A partly on his dam a moderate red daughter of Greenrow Lodestar 26L and also because of his incredible performance on test. His drawback was his birth weight but he was an unassited birth and even though he did throw some bigger birth weights calving was never an issue.
The dam of 27C was a beautiful roan cow I purchased as a calf from Gussie and Faye Adam's Gafa herd, Bashaw, Alberta. She had depth and width, a beautiful brood cow head and great feet. 27C was a stand out from birth and was the first animal we had that started winning interbreed classes. Diamond Captain Mark 27C sired some interbreed champions as well as Agribition female champions. The grand Champion female at Agribition last week, FRASER'S RUBY ZAIDA 4Z, carries three crosses of 27C and he accounts for 25% of her breeding.

 

[librarian]

This is the classic picture you usually see for Lincoln Red, but I doubt if it is Ever Reddy.
Looking at images, the cows have a kind of Devon look to them.
I also once read that when Cruickshank was collecting his original cows, many of them came from Lincolnshire.
Does anyone know if the Lincoln Reds have thicker skin? Devons, in some study, had the thickest skin and their DNA is closer to Hereford  than other breeds.
I was thinking about buying Lincoln Reds one time, but the cows seemed ponderous to me and not that fertile looking. ( just pictures)
Anyway, I think we should try putting a little Lincoln Red into the mix and see what happens.
They seen to carry a lot of meat in the hindquarter and down the leg kind of like the Eagle stuff?

http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/asterik-free-shorthorn-x-lincoln-red!-whats-the-scoop/
Here is an old thread that talks about Laidlaw and a quote from r.n. From that thread
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2010, 09:34:18 AM »
I went to the Dixie National in the early 80's with the Land of Lincoln Reds.They had a bull called Laidlaw with a butt on him like the Mohican influenced cattle and he was super sound.I think the polled herefords had their national show down there that year and the Laidlaw bull had the most interest in the place.I could never figure out why the breed did not latch on to that type instead of the Illawara stuff