I was thinking about using Sin City or Vegas next year on a commercial cow. She is on the small side, TH free has alot of power and bone, I just want something to pretty her up and add a little size. I have been around a handful of Sin City calves, overall I thought they were a little tall certainly had a nice look and hair. As for Vegas, I haven't seen near as many, but I think they feed out pretty well and may be a little more stout, but I have seen some that have a good deal of turnout. We were kind of breeding her for a heifer. I am not set on either one, so if anyone else can think of a shorty bull that can work, let me know.