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Doc

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Just looking at the Maine Jr results & noticed it looked like him & Hardcore had the most Div. winners & wondered what the story was on him? Thanks!
 

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Doc said:
Just looking at the Maine Jr results & noticed it looked like him & Hardcore had the most Div. winners & wondered what the story was on him? Thanks!

i'll take an uneducated guess at this.  the proof of sooner will be his grandget, as thereis less milk in each generation to Poplar Haven Red Alert 54T and i'm assuming they are counting on the milk from dazzlers fancy dancer and the cow side of those mated to sooner to give maternal.  this is the classic detangling of muslce and maternal attempt through getting and keeping a thick phenotype and seeing which one they nick with to decouple the link.  there are other ways to do it, but this is one method.  it may be that this is the best way to moderate milk for compressed grass seasons out west and still retain thickness in calves. 

there is another route, not necessarily better that some are starting to try, ie the irish whiskey's on milkers, which is the same method, but there perhaps is another method (there is).  many are behind the route above so somebody must know something in the real world.
 

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Thanks Knabe, I geuss I was to lazy to look up his pedigree. I presuming from what you said that he goes back to Red Alert & if that is the case then you're right . You will have some milk issues, RA was used a lot with the Shorties & that was one thing he was known for in our breed.
 

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Interesting line up of heifers on the AMAA website. Having sired the Grand and Reserve will certainly make SLC Sooner a must use bull for many. I thought the Hard Core sired calves looked real nice as a group from the photos. The cow/calf Champion Maine looked especially nice with a super udder and nice calf by side IMO. She would had been my pick if I was judging with the Dejong heifer coming in Reserve.
 

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probably on an approved female basis only.  that's why i joked when he's opened up, his name will be "later".  by breeding any bull to a select group of cows to determine if he's a nick bull, or broad spectrum improver, this helps any bull's reputation.  i'm not saying this is good or bad, it just is.  limiting supply is a proven strategy and does two things, protects revenue, and if it's a failure, then fewer people get burned, or if the bull doesn't make a national champion for everyone (an impossible task?), then the complainer list is shorter.  dealing with complainers and dispappointments requires attention.  again, it's not a bad thing, it just requires resources.  sometimes turning around a complainer is a good marketing strategy, though it does look like payola sometimes.
 

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I have seen calves sell at Exposure and Hartman's, I've not seen semen sold as of yet.
 
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