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Found this interesting!! This article may be old news!! 1st time I've seen it though.

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?



        Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament" -- 10/25/07.

        She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...What Happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?" That's a good question - it deserves an answer.
Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America?
The answers may surprise you!

        In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico,
it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

        In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids - would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

        Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

        Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent
drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students
speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

        Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

        In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State
back to America, the rule of law, and English.

        In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, priso ns and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

        If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home' --

        If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

        No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and l u nches.

        We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

        In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

        Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded
highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

        America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half t h at money untaxed, which further drains America's economy - which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.

        At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

        Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases
rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

        Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases.

        Over one mill i on o f Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, "colonias" or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.
    The New York Times reported them to be America's new "Third World" inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

        We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own
countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation. It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

      & amp; amp; amp; nbsp; Interesting Statistics.  Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should
vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

        1. $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens.  http://tinyurl.com/zob77

        2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance
programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.  http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

        ;&nbs p;3. $2.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.  http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

        4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

        &nbs p;5. $17 b illion dollars are spent each year for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

        6. $3 Million Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal
aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

        7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.co m/TRANSCRIPTS/0 604/0 1/ldt. 01.html

        8. $90 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for
welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

        9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

        10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of whi te non-illegal a liens. In par ticular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

        11. During the year 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine,
and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

        12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $ 230 billion, or a n aver age cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation  <http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation>

        13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.  http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

        14 . The dark side of illega l immigr ation: Nearly one million sex
crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!"
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html>

        The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

 

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facts never get in the way of feelings.  they must stay.  yesterday, hillary was in salinas talking to farm workers union and SAID she supported amnesty with the usual restraints, but she SAID they would have to PROMISE to speak english.  this from the same women who put in her health care program a FINE if one didn't sign up for her plan.  How can 20 million illegal aliens be taught the principles on how this country was founded with a promise to speak english.  one of the biggest restraints to immigration is the classes where they teach this.  if you don't think the democrats and over half the repulicans are for the dissolution of america, you are sadly mistaken.  everyone wants to come here to CHANGE america.  why does it need changing?  because people have stuff they don't and they want it.  and the schools are in this too, as they are essentially a competition free zone of indocrination free from public review, as those onthe boards are essentially developers and their friends who will pave over this country with mandated growth to support their programs through growth instead of profit which they veiw should be illegal.  they promote sustainable everything, which is simply a code word for communism.  with the addition of 40 million people without an education in america, and their offspring, this country is dead.  please just hurry up and make it so, becuase feelings are so important.
 

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Staggering does not even begin to describe this. What can we do to change it? Nothing that I can see!  :mad:
 

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flood your representatives with phone calls, letters, in person visits to their offices, letters to the editor, run for office yourself, identify candidates and support them no matter what party they are affiliated with.

doing nothing is what they want.

doing nothing is a choice, it's what they want.

just like PHA, TH, FCS, dwarfs, snorters, monkey mouth, etc, ignoring the defects in policy will only make the problem worse and create more ladies in waiting for your hard earned tax dollar that most seem ok to part with because they do NOTHING.

it's amazing to me that if the majority of americans want something done about illegal aliens, the only people left running for president are people who are pro amnesty. 

america is psychotic, and you can thank the schools.
 

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Knabe,  Maybe I am missing something here, but I can't make the connection you seem to have with public schools and the brain-washing of our American youth.  I will not argue that our educational system has it flaws, but the quality of the people that I encountered during my 11 years of service far surpasses that of the people I have dealt with in the business sector.  I strongly believe that educators have far less influence on our children than that of the parents and home values do.  Children are not born prejudice, racist, sexist or immoral, these are traits that are learned from their environment.  This environment is determined by their parents or the lack there of, so please do not lay the blame of these factors at the steps of our public schools.  These men and women are fighting an uphill battle already, without the general public blaming them for the downfall of their children's attitudes and beliefs.  Sawboss
 

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Hi Sawboss,

I live in California, where the teachers union run the state.  if you are saying there is hope somewhere else, power to them.  in california, the kids basically get out of high school with entitlement.  i have had to hire these kids and it is no picnic come review time, and just everyday work.  kids out of high school are not taught that we PAID mexico 15 million dollars when we defeated them, they are taught that the founding fathers are worthy of scorn and emphasize their warts for reports while idolizing MLK and inform them of NONE of his faults.  they are taught that the rise of middle ages was built on islam and that everything was invented by someone other than of european descent, that moral relativism is better than discrmination against political models that marry church and state and that we need to understand other people and that they don't need to understand us even though they keep coming here to change america.  In california, there is absolutely no competition for schools at the k-12 level as one must pay for their own childs education, as well as some other kids education.  to me, this is treason.  we have a proposed 6 BILLION, yes that's BILLION, engish as a second language program coming, yet won't immerse kids in it from kindegarten becuase their parents don't speak english at home even though study after study shows that the BEST way to learn any language is when you are youngest.  the schools have no competition, yet foist one experimental program after another on the public with NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO accountability.  i am not blaming anyone, i am only stating the consequences of one's inaction.  remember, it ususally happens in CA first, then the rest of the country.  like i've said before, get ready for legal immigrants to your state as the one's who are fed up are leaving, especially if they are retired government workers, ie police, teachers, etc.  i want to see more parents take back control of their schools, minimize zero tolerance laws, bring back trophies for winning rather than competition.  kids as early as 4-5 years old understand competition and our stupid penchant to hide it from them.  the rest of the world is competing and we are teaching our kids to not compete.  doesn't sound like a winning strategy to me, it sounds like suicide.


hey sawboss,
check out this link.  they are paying kids to stay in school rather than allow competition.  see how desparate they are to retain control of your dollar?

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/northfulton/stories/2008/01/22/studentpay_0123_web1.html

pretty soon it will be this

Asked whether he had reported it to the government, he replied: "It was the government that was doing this. Who would I report it to?"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3238615.ece

except that it will be with mexico and somebody like bush will be "in charge"

and one more edit

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

they don't teach this either.
 

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Hmmm, We are close to the border by about 5 hours.  Where I work we are also the bus station.  If anyone has watched Glenn Beck then
you know his views on this subject very well.  So after hearing his speach I randomly started asking for identification if anyone wanted to
purchase a bus ticket.  Almost NONE of the people I asked for ID had any, they would look at me startled and kind of scared.  These people
crossed the border to get here.  HOW????. I have been to Mexico.  To get back it took two hours at the border station to get back accross.
I had to have identification.  Recently on Nancy Grace she wondered how the latest alledged murderer got from South Carolina or wherever to Houston then on to Mexico  on a bus and NOONE noticed. Well DUH!      Anyone can ride the bus, doesnt matter if you have ID or not.  The bus lines should be no different than that of an airliner.  Public Transportation is in turmoil.  In my small town when we had drug enforcement officers it was totally laughable to watch this guy and his dog "sniff the bus".  He would leave his dog sitting by the bus while HE SNIFFED through the luggage and the bus.  I Just dont get it. Needless to say we no longer have a drug guy come to our bus station with his dog.  During watermelon harvest we sell endless bus tickets to border towns.  During this time, crime is higher in our small town.  There is nowhere for these people to stay so twenty people will crowd into two bedroom tailers or rent houses and practically demolish them.  My son is forced to take two years of Spanish to graduate, and is put in detention if he accidently speaks English during class.  We have programs for people to learn English.  But if you speak Spanish you can still graduate with "help" and are not required to take two years of English.  You can be on public assistance and are allowed to have up to two cars for every driver in your house only stipulation is one of the vehicles cannot be valued at more than the IRS limitation for a luxury vehicle.  I was on a board for the county once and actually heard people complain that this wasnt fair, they should be allowed to drive whatever they want.  Needless to say after my comments I wasnt on the board anymore.  Am I the only one confused here?  I JUST DONT GET IT.  There are jobs available here everywhere.  Companies are paying huge bonuses to hire on with them...if you can pass a drug test you have a job...and a good one at that.
Farmers are in need of tractor drivers, and are paying top pay for them, but the only ones whom apply are "dependent" upon drugs. 
Just the other day our Ag teacher was telling me about some kids in our school with no running water or Electricity.  Somewhere something isnt
working. 
 

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it is illegal to be an american and be offended.  if you don't fill out forms detailing your assets (ag survey), you are fined.

laws are basically enforcement of societal norms.  a lot of these laws that single out foreigners are attempts to enforce unspoken societal norms because the government won't enforce the borders.  a new norm has been imposed and the govt doesn't have the guts impose the will of legal citizens for fear of being called illegalphobes.

the government is actually the one's both supporting illegal immigration and only token enforcement, and the head honcho at ICE is a flake

more enforcement against citizens than illegals (england, but coming to the us)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120097109796805629.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

legal citizens are not wanted

here's a website of a lawyer who tracks our lack of enforcement.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

warning, actual information provided backing up her point of view.
 

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Not all these people are drug-smugglers, welfare sponges, etc.

I know a boy, a Non-citizen, an Illegal alien previous to His enlistment, Who is going to Fallujah in 2 weeks. He joined the Army, in order to "Fix" his papers.He also would like a chance at Higher Education.

Hope He comes back. German's(pronounced "Herman") a good boy. He has more Love of the USA than his peers. He graduated High School with Honors, and, speaks fluent English, as He's lived here since he was 13 months old . He isn't the only NOn-citizen who is doing this.

I'm not offended,by any of Y'all's opinions, as open dialogue is part of being Americans.

GB

 

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Teachers Unions are the greatest threat we face here in the US.  Well those of us who still believe in Individualsim!
First of all, I think our government is totally corrupt, so why in the Heck would I want to turn my child over to them for an education.  So they can teach my kid that there is no such thing as individualism, we are all for the greater common good.  There are schools that make all the kids turn in their school supplies the first day of school- why- because all the kids have to share them.  So you buy your kid their crayons, markers, clay, etc. the first day of school they all get turned over and become community property- Sound like the money your work hard for at work??  Some school won't allow drawing or building with blocks because little Johnny can draw better then little Timmy and it hurts Timmy's feelings and then Timmy looses self confidence- sound like the requirements you have to follow when your are hiring people for a job at your privately owned company?  Yeah, these are the extreams and yes, I have friend who teach in government schools and are part of the teachers unions.  They agree with me though  ;D
Sure don't mean to offend anyone- but just think about it.  Did you know that your teenage kid cant even take Tylenol to school.  Come on!
 

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garybob said:
Not all these people are drug-smugglers, welfare sponges, etc.

I know a boy, a Non-citizen, an Illegal alien, Who is going to Fallujah in 2 weeks. He joined the Army, in order to "Fix" his papers.

Hope He comes back. German's(pronounced "Herman") a good boy. He has more Love of the USA than his peers He graduated High School with.He isn't the only NOn-citizen who is doing this.

I'm not offended, as open dialogue is part of being Americans.

GB

the one's that need to leave, need to leave.  the problem becomes when that soldier gets his citizenship, his immediate family will get theirs too.  my relatives in austria can't get over here even though they are "immediate" family.  the immidiate family thing is a joke.  the military has always been a way to earn citizenship.  one of my current employee's father did it that way.  however, as part of it, he has to remain "active" for civil service essentially his entire life.

this is why a "promise" of learning to speak english to get citizenship so infuriates me.  hillary talking to some illegals in salinas yesterday and pandering just shows you how close we are to losing america.  let the illeals in with no price that all our ancestors had to pay will diminish citizenship, as if it isn't already.

hillary, obama, edwards, plus bush, the council on foreign relations, rudy, huckabee, romney, mccain are idiots and have sold their soul and america's to the highest bidder.  witness the destruction of america in your lifetime unless you stand on principle.  if you sit in your chair and do nothing, something will be done to you.
 

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He won't be given his Citizenship "Free-gratis", either. He can only be termed ''employee'' during active military service. Sure, knabe( sorry, forgot to capitalize, darn public schools), his army resume will help him get his foot in the door. Actually, Knabe, when He eventually gets his Citizenship, his Family won't "instantly" become citizens. Relax, Man. Seriously,They will qualify first for work visas, then, ultimately, a "Resident Alien" ( persons of this category can do everything legally here,  except own a gun and Vote)status, known as "green card''-- they literally used to be green.

The only way that memebers of his immediate family can become Citizens, is if they Take the Class ( and Pass it. Without English proficiency? Not a chance), then apply. If they pass the screening process (criminal and financial background check), They become Citizens ONLY when THEY THEMSELVES step up and take the initiative on their own, after meeting the requirements, Take the Oath of Allegiance.

There is no Conspiracy out here.

GB
 

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no wonder folks call it a "socalized medical" system...they've seen the "socialized education" system  and the results its starting to put out...not all teachers feel that its just the "parents problem/fault......alot of teachers see there system falling apart from the inside out.....cities and burgs have to teach by "state" standards/expectations/criteras/....put on them by "the governement"....  ie...floridas  FCAT  scores....are actually scores on the "schoo/teacherl"performance......not the students....even though its the students that have to take and pass the tests....the score is a reflection of the city/region/district/county/state permformance.....and of course the changes made this year are from the results of the score last year....so the whole system was 2/3 years behind before it actually started makeing adjustments, which are madated by the state...not the school district....just another layer of incompatance to be able to point a finger at, and without actually doing anything........the parents are paying the tachers salary....they dont like being told there students lack of ability to pass the fcat scores are even a fraction of the parents fault....if youve lost your ability to teach according to the states mandates...help change th4e mandates/critera with the direction your heading within your own system......alot of teachers are quick to assign reasons of crappy schools on the parents backs......yet they all have quidance personell, who's job it is to go to the parents and tell them they are doing a lousy job....but they cant go till you tell them that a stutent needs help..... dont no of any school districts that had to close "because the parents just  would not  do there part"....we all work with what we got......some cook....some  build...some count....some teach....every state/county has its own "worst school in the state/county."...do you think its the parents fault?  every state/county has the "worst vet in the state/county."......whos fault is that??....every state/county has its own"worst reasturant"......in the state /county........whos faults that....  but we have to go there at least once to find out for our selves...we can get another vet....we can go to another reatuarant.....but we to go to the schools where we live.....rules are rules ya know...so just remeber .....its the captive auddiance thats left with the teachers in there schools.......not the other way around...jbarl
 

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garybob said:
He won't be given his Citizenship "Free-gratis", either. He can only be termed ''employee'' during active military service. Sure, knabe( sorry, forgot to capitalize, darn public schools), his army resume will help him get his foot in the door. Actually, Knabe, when He eventually gets his Citizenship, his Family won't "instantly" become citizens. Relax, Man. Seriously,They will qualify first for work visas, then, ultimately, a "Resident Alien" ( persons of this category can do everything legally here,  except own a gun and Vote)status, known as "green card''-- they literally used to be green.

The only way that memebers of his immediate family can become Citizens, is if they Take the Class ( and Pass it. Without English proficiency? Not a chance), then apply. If they pass the screening process (criminal and financial background check), They become Citizens ONLY when THEY THEMSELVES step up and take the initiative on their own, after meeting the requirements, Take the Oath of Allegiance.

There is no Conspiracy out here.

GB

GB, you have explained EXACTLY why amensty is a joke.  the hoops one has to go through to do it legal, and they want a path for illegals to do it quicker with little price.  it is a spit in the face of all who hafe done it legally and seek to do it legally.

good commentary on the captive audience jbarl.  they are scared of competition.

 

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here's an interesting article

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_blacks_and_immigration.html

notice the trend in wages whenever illegal labor pools enter the market.

it's not jobs that americans won't do, it's the wages that prevail when having to compete against an illegal labor pool

folks, this isn't racial, it's illegal.  the "political" solution is to make them legal so it won't happen again.

yeah like that worked in 1965, 1986 etc.  the bracero program worked, it needed a little tweaking, but was one of the few government programs EVER terminated because it actually worked and didn't change voting demographics which was probably the real reason it was discontinued.
 

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garybob said:
Not all these people are drug-smugglers, welfare sponges, etc.

I know a boy, a Non-citizen, an Illegal alien previous to His enlistment, Who is going to Fallujah in 2 weeks. He joined the Army, in order to "Fix" his papers.He also would like a chance at Higher Education.

Hope He comes back. German's(pronounced "Herman") a good boy. He has more Love of the USA than his peers. He graduated High School with Honors, and, speaks fluent English, as He's lived here since he was 13 months old . He isn't the only NOn-citizen who is doing this.

I'm not offended,by any of Y'all's opinions, as open dialogue is part of being Americans.

GB

GB, I glad your friend is paying some dues for his & his families illegal actions. And that's the problem I have with him & his family, they're here ILLEGALY!!!!!! IMO he shouldn't be allowed to join any armed services, when he showed up to aply we should have thanked him for saving us the time to go find him & he should have been put in handcuffs & deported. I'm tired of having to punch 1 for English, flipping the cereal box to see which side the ingredients are listed in English,&  etc. Do you think all these manufacturers are eating the cost of putting the contents or instructions in 2 languages? Let me answer for you, NO. We are. I not ranting & raving only about Spanish speaking illegals , I'm talking about the Kurds, Iranians, & any one else here illegaly. It's just that there are more here that are Mexican & Guatamalans because of the proximity.
 

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i guess i could provide a little more background on my employee's father.  he joined the service while he was in his native country, the philippines.  i want to emphasize, that as a civil engineer, he still has to be on call for the US government after all these years and his kids being born in the US.  we are being assimilated and are financing it.  we are so stupid.
 

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First - Why are they here ? They are willing to do work that no one else is willing to do or are too lazy to do.
        - They have lived in extreme poverty all of their lives and want better for their families.
        - The Hispanics we get in this country are not upper class executives. They are lower class citizens who see the
          opportunity to actually have decent food everyday and maybe even running water in their houses.
        - I'm all for sending the criminals back; they are defintely a nuisance to our country. They are not welcome here.

Second - I'm a Farmer and find me some laborers that are willing to do the same work they do at the same price they do
              it at and I'd be more than glad to use them instead.
            - We take out taxes on all our employees - American or not. If the number they give us to use is not legit do we get
              those taxes back, NO. Uncle Sam keeps it just the same.
            - Is the taxes on each dollar they spend at Walmart each Sunday not figured in this equation at all.
Third - I am also a School Board Member and see first hand the discipline problems, grades, and attendance of this group of
          people. In our school system they are some of the least disciplined, best performing students who are at school
          as much or more than other groups.
        - We have a ESOL teacher who teaches ENGLISH to students whose native language is not ENGLISH.
        - Our ESLOST,  nor is anyone else's,  discriminatory as to whose dollar is taxed when spent in our county. If Osama Bin
          Laden came through here, he would be contributing dollars to help build our new schools and/or improvements to the
          existing ones. They buy here, they pay here.
Last - I'm also a Deacon in my local church and the Biblical principles I live by tell me not to judge and that all people are to
          be valued. I have prayed with Hispanics in their language and americans in theirs. In short, I love my neighbors as I'm
          commanded by GOD'S WORD to do.
        - Matthew 7:1-2 - " Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be
          judged, and with the same measure you use, it will be measured to you."
        - James 4:12 -  "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you  --- who are
          you to judge your neighbor ?"
       
 
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