2016 CWA Regina SK

[scotland]

Iam told the comments made in the judging ring where shocking. Negative negative negative. A

 

[matt999]

Guessing your talking about the Shorthorn show. Was one of the hardest judged shows to follow what kind where going to be used. The comments were off the wall and out there to say the least. There where so many that it's hard to put them all down but here are a few. Heifer calf was to powefully built in one class but the champion female was probably the most powerfully made heifer calf. Talking about the epds of the animals in the class when no epds where listed in the show program and the judge not having a program so don't know how he figured them out. The highlight from the one I heard had to be for junior champion bull when the comment made was that "His ears are to big for his head" lol had to be my favourite. Anyways it got the rest of breeds in the barn taking about it also and don't think it was in a good way.

 

[justintime]

About 3 or 4 classes into the show, I received a phone call from an Australian breeder, who told me to take the microphone from the judge as he was going to destroy the breed. He was watching the show online. I spent most of the show in the entrance of the show ring, and I could not hear his comments clearly, but I certainly heard from lots of cattle people from inside and outside the breed. If the judge actually said what I was told he said, he really did a disservice for the breed.

 

[scotland]

The ring steward should have advised Mr Bowman how negative his comments where. The Aussie breeder had the right idea, no microphone. I was showing sheep so missed it all. About half way thru a Hereford friend came over said they needed me at the ring! That i might help avert a crisis in the Shorthorn ring.  A comment he shared, ... white heifer calf 2nd in class.. 'she will take the breed back 10years' if shes that bad... maybe he is dyflexic, had her on the wrong end of the line-up. Pity for his disservice...

 

[mechanic]

The comments were different for sure and hard to reason out. I would recommend everyone including the judge go and watch the video online and form your own opinion. I may be missing something in the translation. I only watched online and wasn't there.

 

[Shorthorn-Fed]

I think some people are repeating comments that they want to hear  maybe and not the whole explanation of placings. For one I heard him mention epds in reference to a breed on the whole and not to an individual animal in the ring. I also never heard a lone reasoning for placing a calf lower because " the ears were too big for it's head". In regards to a white heifer " putting the breed back ten years" are you sure he wasn't talking about a heifer possibly having bone structure of an animal ten years ago? He did talk about bone structure and muscle attatchement from prior years to now and research behind it. I am not saying any of you are wrong in your opinion but I was in the front of the stands watching and I didn't hear it exactly the way it is being told. I will add that I did not see the group classes( projenys, group, get) so I don't know what he said in those classes. This is just how I saw things from my seat.

Russ

 

[matt999]

There where also some comments made to the people exhibiting the animals in the ring that weren't on the microphone that should not have been said also. Even if he felt that it was in a joking manner it  wasn't very professional. In the end all an exhibitor can hope is that they get a fair shake in the class and that the reasons make sense as to why your placed  where you have been placed.  even if you don't agree. A lot of money is spent to show cattle and when you have other people from other breeds wondering where the shorthorns found this judge. it doesn't look good for the breed and sure wouldn't encourage anybody to go out and buy a Shorthorn.

 

[justintime]

I think some people are repeating comments that they want to hear  maybe and not the whole explanation of placings. For one I heard him mention epds in reference to a breed on the whole and not to an individual animal in the ring. I also never heard a lone reasoning for placing a calf lower because " the ears were too big for it's head". In regards to a white heifer " putting the breed back ten years" are you sure he wasn't talking about a heifer possibly having bone structure of an animal ten years ago? He did talk about bone structure and muscle attatchement from prior years to now and research behind it. I am not saying any of you are wrong in your opinion but I was in the front of the stands watching and I didn't hear it exactly the way it is being told. I will add that I did not see the group classes( projenys, group, get) so I don't know what he said in those classes. This is just how I saw things from my seat.

Russ

I agree that some of his comments may have been taken wrong, but if that was the case, he should have tried to clarify what he was saying. I did hear the comment on the white heifer having too much bone and would set the breed back 10 years, and that is how I heard it. I spoke with several others who took this comment exactly the same way as I heard it. He confused a lot of people with his comments. In one class he placed a heifer in first place and said it was hard to fault her and in the very next class, when this same heifer was competing for the divisional championship, he made the comment that he would like to change her in several places.  I heard about this comment from numerous people. Even people watching the Hereford show in the adjoining ring were wondering about some of his comments.
My dad who is almost 92, said following the show, that he did not know why anyone would ever consider buying a Shorthorn if they had listened to what the judge was saying. It is just unfortunate this happened.

 

[cowboy_nyk]

I watched a good portion of the show.  I'm an Angus guy but I judged the Shorthorn show in Brandon this fall so I was curious how this judge would place many of the same cattle.  He was maybe a bit unconventional but certainly not overly negative.  I don't think he hurt your breed in any way.  The truth of the matter is that judging is one person's opinion on one day.  If your cattle fit what you want and you have a market why stress over it?  If the other breeds are talking about it, take it as a positive.  Clearly if they think the judging was bad that means they watched, noticed quality cattle and disagreed with the placings.  What else could you ask for?  As Trump would say, no such thing as bad publicity.

 

[sue]

About 3 or 4 classes into the show, I received a phone call from an Australian breeder, who told me to take the microphone from the judge as he was going to destroy the breed. He was watching the show online. I spent most of the show in the entrance of the show ring, and I could not hear his comments clearly, but I certainly heard from lots of cattle people from inside and outside the breed. If the judge actually said what I was told he said, he really did a disservice for the breed.

But he is a shorthorn breeder? His cow dispersal is coming up here pretty quick and most of the genetics are Canadian influenced?  I thought from what I have heard he does a nice job?

 

[RyanChandler]

Here's link from dlms http://www.cattlevids.ca/2016/CWA2016friday.html  Oddly the audio doesn't work on the Shorthorn shows. 

 

[uluru]

The audio for shorthorns is mixed in wth the hereford video

 

[mark tenenbaum]

About 3 or 4 classes into the show, I received a phone call from an Australian breeder, who told me to take the microphone from the judge as he was going to destroy the breed. He was watching the show online. I spent most of the show in the entrance of the show ring, and I could not hear his comments clearly, but I certainly heard from lots of cattle people from inside and outside the breed. If the judge actually said what I was told he said, he really did a disservice for the breed.

But he is a shorthorn breeder? His cow dispersal is coming up here pretty quick and most of the genetics are Canadian influenced?  I thought from what I have heard he does a nice job?

/// Ive never seen him judge-but Ive read some pretty pretentious ads when it comes to the descriptions of  anything they have for sale-every animal in the catalogue seems to be the next savior of the cattle industry. LOL- O0

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

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