6+8=14 Right or Wrong

[Show Heifer]

Really? You want the gov't to decide something like this?  Isn't that called "China"???  Our gov't isn't smart enough to come in out of a rain storm, do you really want them involved in your reproductive life. I can see it now:
1. No children unless you make $1 million (That's almost poverty to them)
2. Females must have children between the ages of 25-30. That is when they are most fertile without the risk of birth defects.
3. Males can sire children until the reach retirement.....that is when they have figured out how to screw people out of their money.
4. No fertility drugs for anyone. If God wanted you to have children, he would have made you fertile.
5. No families larger than 4 children. Anymore than that, you need a hobby.
6. You get one chance of raising your children "right". If you screw them up, YOU have to support them, not the taxpayers.
7. You must be a two-some. We are not saying "man and wife", but it take's two to raise a child.
8. If you get preg without meeting the requirements, the baby will be put up for adoption.
9. All these rules are void if you are a kennedy.
10. These rules will take effect in 2020, after BILLIONS are spent in research, debate, payoffs, and lobbiest.

I think the PEOPLE should step in. Tell the Dr's this isn't acceptable. Send a message to the welfare mothers that it isn't "cool" to have babies for money.  Tell these high school kids that get pregnant, "you didn't need help to get into the situation, good luck getting out of it."  Yes, it might get worse before it gets better, but heck, that sure beats getting worse and staying there!!

 

[knabe]

no taxpayer money to raise someone else's kids that is channeled through taxation. 

if you want to do it through donations, fine.

the only taxation relevant, is to pay for schools through property tax, but since i advocate a sales tax, consumption should be taxed, and this seems a decent contraceptive, at least with government money.

 

[farmboy]

Tell that to the 1 pound 8oz baby.

who knew the drunk was gonna kill someone?

 

[knabe]

finally, follow through from the left.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1133316/Call-child-limit-families-Governments-leading-green-adviser.html

i wonder if they can convince the rest of the world to do this.

basically, if they enact this, it seals their doom.

HERE'S MORE

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.
Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert, since it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.
Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week - media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

maybe oprah will help her.

what a joke.  wean this suckling.

 

[farmboy]

Just a wild guess, can you say my own reality show. I can't even imagine the bill for the delivery. 46 PPL in the delivery room. The reality, poperotcy,(SP), craze drives me nuts. Period. Brent

you called it

 

[knabe]

here's more right or wrong for you from noam chomsky

AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you with us. Well, let’s start off by your response to President Obama’s statement and whether you think it represents a change.

NOAM CHOMSKY: It’s approximately the Bush position. He began by saying that Israel, like any democracy, has a right to defend itself. That’s true, but there’s a gap in the reasoning. It has a right to defend itself. It doesn’t follow that it has a right to defend itself by force. So we might agree, say, that, you know, the British army in the United States in the colonies in 1776 had a right to defend itself from the terror of George Washington’s armies, which was quite real, but it didn’t follow they had a right to defend themselves by force, because they had no right to be here. So, yes, they had a right to defend themselves, and they had a way to do it—namely, leave.

there, you have it.  you can't defend the use of force upon one's self with force. 

it follows that chomsky has no right to be here (on earth).  it follows that he should commit suicide instead of instegating american society and israel to so.

amazing.

 

[box6rranch]

The mother only sees one thing when she looks into those babies eyes.........$$$$$$$$$$. Sick and pathetic but the media will have a feeding frenzy on it. Oprah will have to put her two minutes of fame into the mix. I'm sure the next greatest feat will be to have 9 babies born to a mother who already has at least ten kids and is single living in a shelter because she lost her home in Katrina and her husband mysteriously disappeared going out for milk one night. She's an orphan so she can't count on her family to help raise the children...............hmmmmm what else?????

 

[knabe]

elect her, or nominate her for a cabinet position.

 

[Doc]

Hey Knabe, make sure you pay your taxes, she needs your money! ;D

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red.
Even before the 33-year-old single, unemployed mother gave birth to octuplets last month, she had been caring for her six other children with the help of $490 a month in food stamps, plus Social Security disability payments for three of the youngsters. The public aid will almost certainly be increased with the new additions to her family.

Also, the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times. The cost has not been disclosed.

Word of the public assistance has stoked the furor over Suleman's decision to have so many children by having embryos implanted in her womb.

"It appears that, in the case of the Suleman family, raising 14 children takes not simply a village but the combined resources of the county, state and federal governments," Los Angeles Times columnist Tim Rutten wrote in Wednesday's paper. He called Suleman's story "grotesque."

On the Internet, bloggers rained insults on Suleman, calling her an "idiot," criticizing her decision to have more children when she couldn't afford the ones she had, and suggesting she be sterilized.

"It's my opinion that a woman's right to reproduce should be limited to a number which the parents can pay for," Charles Murray wrote in a letter to the Los Angeles Daily News. "Why should my wife and I, as taxpayers, pay child support for 14 Suleman kids?"

She was also berated on talk radio, where listeners accused her of manipulating the system and being an irresponsible mother.

"From the outside you can tell that this woman was playing the system," host Bryan Suits said on the "Kennedy and Suits" show on KFI-AM. "You're damn right the state should step in and seize the kids and adopt them out."

A call to Suleman's publicist Mike Furtney was not immediately returned.

In her only media interviews, Suleman told NBC's "Today" she doesn't consider the public assistance she receives to be welfare and doesn't intend to remain on it for long.

Also, a Nadya Suleman Family Web Site has been set up to collect donations for the children. It features pictures of the mother and each octuplet and has instructions for making donations by check or credit card.

Suleman, whose six older children range in age from 2 to 7, said three of them receive disability payments. She said one is autistic, but she has not disclosed the other youngsters' disabilities, and refused to say how much they get in payments.

In California, a low-income family can receive Social Security payments of up to $793 a month for each disabled child. Three children would amount to $2,379.

The Suleman octuplets' medical costs have not been disclosed, but in 2006, the average cost for a premature baby's hospital stay in California was $164,273, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The average cost for just one cesarean birth in 2006 was $22,762 in California. Eight times that equals $1.3 million.

For a single mother, the cost of raising 14 children through age 17 ranges from $1.3 million to $2.7 million, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is struggling to close a $42 billion budget gap by cutting services, declined through a spokesman to comment on the taxpayer costs associated with the octuplets' delivery and care.

Suleman received disability payments for an on-the-job back injury during a riot at a state mental hospital, collecting more than $165,000 over nearly a decade before the benefits were discontinued last year.

Some of the disability money was spent on in vitro fertilizations, which was used for all 14 of her children, Suleman said. Suleman said she also worked double shifts at the mental hospital and saved up for the treatments. She estimated that all her treatments cost $100,000.

A dozen states, including California, have laws requiring insurance companies to cover infertility treatment, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. But California does not require insurers to cover in vitro procedures. It's not clear what type of coverage Suleman has.

In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling, and will use student loans to support her children. She said she will rely on the school's daycare center and volunteers.

 

[knabe]

In the NBC interview, Suleman said she will go back to California State University, Fullerton in the fall to complete her master's degree in counseling.

I'm thinking if she can't counsel herself, she shouldn't be allowed a government job and should have to prove her worth in the private sector.

but of course she will get some government job.

also doc, don't think you aren't paying your fair share.  ca is getting about 20-25% of the money allocated by the voter/subsidy recipient/future recipient bribe bill.

i'm thinking revolution in under 15 years.  hoping for impeachment in less than a year.  it took progressives about 90 years to stage a coup and destroy the constitution.  They are currently undertaking the equivalent of stalin's purge, with a good example the unfairness doctrine.  stifle dissent at dissents expense.

in case anyone missed it, my avatar is stalin as a class envy young lad.

 

[Doc]

Knabe , I bet the gov't workers out there having to take 2 unpaid days a month are loving her.

 

[knabe]

maybe state workers will start getting busy

 

[kobo_ranch]

the docter who implanted her was just doing his job... cant blame him

The heck you can't, it's like the bartender giving the drunk one last drink before he killed someone, someone needs to know when to say NO!

i get your drift, but thats a bad analogie...

is it?  i think the state or federal government needs to step in on this one.

Well I don't want the FEDs doing anything, perhaps the State or how about the Medical Licensing people??!! That doctor needs his license revolked and FINED big time.  I don't know about you all but I've HAD IT with people getting rewarded for BAD BEHAVIOR!!  This woman was obviously CRACKED UP and had no business raising any more children.  I do think the child protective services should step and and REMOVE all of them and adopt them out to good homes.  I'm tired of paying my hard earned money to support, crazy people, illegals that DON'T pay taxes, etc, etc.  Just like all those big bank CEOs and greedy guys that are doing all those corrupt things.  Why aren't they in prison, they'd send a poor guy robbing a store for food to prison but not one of these guys??  What can I say, its a CRAZY CRAZY WORLD!!  Thank the LORD theres a few of us NORMAL folks still left!!  (like us here on STEER PLANET) (angel)

 

[Doc]

Here we go again!!

Octuplets' IVF doctor strikes again... this time impregnating woman near 50 with quadruplets
The fertility doctor who helped octuplets' mother Nadya Suleman become pregnant has given another woman in her late 40s treatment that resulted in her becoming pregnant with quadruplets, it has emerged.

The latest controversy around Dr Michael Kamrava could reignite the debate on regulations governing in-vitro fertilisation in the United States.

The unidentified woman is said to be near the age of 50 and already has three children. She only wanted one more child, it is claimed.

Dr Michael Kamrava is at the centre of a storm regarding IVF treatment in the United States as it emerged he has impregnated another woman with quadruplets
She is five months pregnant and does not have insurance - a fact that could leave her paying thousands in medical bills under America's private healthcare system.
She has been confined to bed rest in an LA hospital until she gives birth, expected in three or four months.
Though she refused to confirm that Dr Kamrava was her doctor, the Los Angeles Times claimed it had confirmed the information with hospital sources.
'I do think it is concerning, and dangerous, especially to the mother,' Dr. John Jain, a fertility specialist with knowledge of the case, told the LATimes.

 

[farmboy]

so dr kamrava should be an AI tech

 

[knabe]

i wonder what "Dr." kamrava kharma is?

his state board could place penalties on him, even disbar.  interesting that planned parenthood isn't one of his sponsor's for stem cell research.

 

[red]

heard on the news this morning that her mother, where she's living, is 10 months behind on her mortgage.
Dr Phil is having an updated show today on her. They estimate the hospital bill alone so far is 2 milion. Since she's unemployed guess who pays it? Said when my hubby can't even get insurance & he's a really hard worker.

Red

 

[Simmymom1]

I heard about her mortgage problems too this morning, this just makes me so mad!!  I think the woman is crazy and her kids should be taken away from her.  Maybe Angelina Jolie will take them in, at least she has the money to raise them.  JMO.....Lisa

 

[knabe]

maybe angelina could hire her as a body double to fool the paparazzi

liberals should have to pay for this 100000000000000000000000%  absolutely NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO government money.

 

[knabe]

here's some more from what future children of our school system will look like.  go ahead, keep voting on not weaning anyone from government.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/18/octomom-mac-cosmetics-photo/