A few bull pics

[justintime]

Here are a few of the bulls we are developing this winter that will be offered in the Sun Country Shorthorn Sale on March 8th at Johnstone Auction Mart, Moose Jaw,SK.

1) HC Cha-Ching 51C - smooth polled, born April 19th. BW 90 lbs unassisted.
Sire: HC Free Spirit 6Y ET  Dam: SULL Dazzling Ruby 8115 ET  51C is Dazzling Ruby's natural calf in 2015. An ET full brother also sells. I'm not sure which one is the best!
2) HC Cabela 32T-  March 18/15 son of Shady Lane Rockstar 9X and from a Major Leroy dam. A full brother sold in our 2014 sale and was one of the high sellers to a Montana ranch
3) HC Captain Canada 27C - born April 1/15. BW 95 lbs unassisted. Sire: HC Free Spirit 6Y ET Dam is a Major Leroy cow. A maternal brother was our top selling bull in 2014.
4) HC Bedrock 73B - smooth polled son of Muridale Buster 14K. 78 lb BW. His dam is SBF WHR Janet 65Z ( a Waukaru Patent 8161 ET daughter). We used him on our heifers last year, but since we are offering almost all our heifers in this sale, we have decided to put him in the sale. We will keep some semen for in herd use only.

 

[knabe]

name a son of bedrock, bedrock buster.  he's a nice bull. maybe muridale will buy him.
make sure you collect him before sale.

 

[WinterSpringsFarm]

Really like bedrock 73b

 

[mark tenenbaum]

All those bulls look good-Hopefully the roan will go public. Any Free Spirits on the horizen? O0

 

[justintime]

All those bulls look good-Hopefully the roan will go public. Any Free Spirits on the horizen? O0

51C and 27C that are pictured are both sons of Free Spirit. There are several other Free Spirit bulls and heifers in the sale. They are the best sire group we have and are also one of the best sire groups we have ever raised. They are moderate framed and very thick, just like Free Spirit is. I am weighing them again on Jan 28th and it will be interesting to see how the pen is gaining. So far, the Free Spirit bulls are far ahead of the rest of the pen for gain. On the last weigh on December 28th, 27C weighed 956 at 8.5 months of age.

 

[mbigelow]

Bulls look good Grant. The two out of the Leroy dams seem the have his muscle expression.  I too am a fan of the buster son. He will sell well.

 

[blackdirt cowboy]

That bedrock bull is special.

 

[knabe]

bam bam, pebbles, mr. slate, gazoo

 

[justintime]

I thought I would include a picture of a non appendix 100% Shorthorn bull that will be selling. He is HC Neon Leon 38C. He is sired by Birdtail G Gus 1W and his dam is HA Deerpark Kildysart 27th.  He was born on April 10/15 with a BW of 88 lbs. He is one of the fastest gaining bulls in the pen. I have not had a color pattern like this before and I have been doing this almost my entire life. He was nicknamed Neon Leon when we found him at birth and when it came time to register him, we couldn't think of a name more fitting for him. Has anyone else had any experience with a non appendix Shorthorn with this color pattern?

 

[PDJ]

I know years ago there were some wild colored cattle at Dick Braham's in Michigan. And I remember a bull from the '80s nicknamed Neon Leon.  I want to say his real name was Rolyn O'Leary?

 

[Duncraggan]

I thought I would include a picture of a non appendix 100% Shorthorn bull that will be selling. He is HC Neon Leon 38C. He is sired by Birdtail G Gus 1W and his dam is HA Deerpark Kildysart 27th.  He was born on April 10/15 with a BW of 88 lbs. He is one of the fastest gaining bulls in the pen. I have not had a color pattern like this before and I have been doing this almost my entire life. He was nicknamed Neon Leon when we found him at birth and when it came time to register him, we couldn't think of a name more fitting for him. Has anyone else had any experience with a non appendix Shorthorn with this color pattern?

IMO, this bull is, from the pictures, better than at least two of the bulls in your initial post. Add the good BW and growth and you get a good package!
In my experience, bulls with a red and white colouring seldom throw white calves, which are impossible to sell in South Africa, so I would be a keen bidder on this bull. Xbar could possibly throw some light on this colour issue as he seems to have a good grasp of colour heritability in Shorthorns.
In general they are good bulls JIT (clapping)

 

[justintime]

I know years ago there were some wild colored cattle at Dick Braham's in Michigan. And I remember a bull from the '80s nicknamed Neon Leon.  I want to say his real name was Rolyn O'Leary?

It was the O'Leary bull that I got the Neon Leon name from. I remember him and he actually was a very good bull, but his color was pretty wild and he was not considered big enough framed for that day. He would have been near perfect frame for what I am trying to produce today.

On the topic of color patterns, here is something else I have often thought about. In 1984, we displayed IDS Duke Of  Dublin at the Denver show. He had just arrived from Ireland a few months before this. Duke was basically a red bull with a very few white markings. He had a white mark on his heart on the left side of his body. He also had a white spot on the underside of his tail that was not visible unless you lifted his tail and looked. Dick Prentice from Arrowhead Farms in Indiana spent a considerable amount of time  going over Duke and he eventually lifted his tail and saw the white spot ( slightly larger than a quarter). He turned to me and said that we would have white calves from Duke as he had a white spot on the underside of his tail. He said that any Shorthorn bull with white on the underside of his tail would sire an occasional white calf. I thought this was an old wives tale and basically dismissed it as being a bit on the crazy side. The third calf born from Duke was white and over the years we used him here we had 3 white calves from him. I have never heard anyone else ever make this comment, and often have wondered how or where Dick got this from.

 

[oakview]

I have had numerous calves similar in color pattern to your bull.  In fact, I had a heifer calf a few days ago with just a hair more red on her.  Most of the ones I have had were sired by GR Cop Top Trampas who had some 3W Payoff in him.  The calf born the other day has no Payoff in her, but like Trampas and your bull (I assume this because of his dam's name) has Irish breeding.  Leggs was similar in color to your bull and I believe he was in O'Leary's pedigree.  Regardless, Payoff goes back to Dividend, the dam of my calf is sired by a full brother to Rose T90 (sired by a full brother to Leggs, TA Leader).  Many, but not all, calves of this color have a little Maine in them.  I also remember seeing several Milking Shorthorns similar in color pattern.  Disperse the red hairs a little bit and you'd have one of those great red-neck roans!

 

[oakview]

Forgot to add that he looks like a pretty good calf.

 

[Dale]

We have a JJC Wild Side daughter marked a little like JIT's wild-colored bull, except that she's only about 80% white.  Oakview's observation about combining Irish (especially Dividend/Leader 13th) with Maine is on target.  I have less experience with the milk lines, although we did sample Columbus, Hubs, etc. 

The Scotch cattle tended to throw more even roans and very few of the spotted or splotchy colors we have had in recent decades.  Even the Canadian cattle sometimes threw brighter colors than what we'd had previously.  Leader 9th (Canadian dam) sired us some belts and different color patterns than the old, horned Scotch cattle. 

I am just fine with modern Polled Shorthorns, but early on the polled cattle breeders likely tolerated more "off colors" as the polled trait was highly sought after.  The newer blood (Irish, dual, polled, etc.) clearly improved the old Scotch type, but generally produced more chrome.  Red-necked roans as well as whites were common in our herd, probably in the 30's and 40's before red became the rage, as well as pony type.   

 

[Go Green]

I thought I would include a picture of a non appendix


What does "non appendix" mean?

 

[Dale]

Someone else can define appendix (identified by using asterisk as part of registration number?), but this is related.  JJC Wild Side has some breeds other than Shorthorn in his pedigree, and it is printed right there; yet, he is not an appendix bull himself until you get back a couple of generations in his pedigree.  He also has several crosses of Dividend (maybe 7--it is easy to lose count) and other Irish.  JIT has often said that Irish Shorthorns should not have been considered 100% Shorthorn, but they were brought into the herd book that way.  Were they grandfathered in due to Coates Book's acceptance of them?

Yes, JIT, that is a useful bull--he'd be easy to see at night.

 

[oakview]

There is no pedigree for almost all of the Irish cattle.  Dividend, Leader 18th, Ultimate Type, etc., if they were sired by Deerpark Leader, there is nothing other than Foundation listed in their pedigree beyond Deerpark Leader.  The same is true for Improver.  He is supposed to have been sired by a bull named Clare Man, no other ancestors listed on the sire side.  I believe the Shannon herd may have traced to the herdbook, but almost all of the others had no background.  For the first few years, Dividend and Improver were considered 3/4 bloods, I believe, with no hope of their descendants ever achieving purebred status.  George Alden purchased the bulls, was elected to the ASA board, and some time later the Irish cattle were accepted as purebreds.  (I am in no way implying there was anything shady about this occurrence)  I have a booklet from the UK in the early 70's that outlines the Irish acceptance into their herdbook.  For some reason, the asterisk drops off here after a few generations.  To me, non-asterisk means no outside blood shown on the pedigree, but they are extremely rare.  I don't consider Irish Shorthorns as truly non-asterisk even though that's how they're shown on a pedigree.     

 

[mbigelow]

JIT-I had a bull very similar in color to your bull. Calf was out of a JPJ X Steadfast cow and sired by Major Leroy. cow was red with a little white on the belly. the calf is listed as 97% on the ASA site. I guess you just never know what will pop up.

 

[mbigelow]

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