A good bull of a different flavour

[justintime]

I don't know much about "eared" cattle, but I think I have an idea when I see a very good one. I found this picture of V8's Tommy Bahama bull on Facebook and I must say, I think he is an amazing bull. What does everyone else this of this guy?

 

[Bradenh]

i can tell you right now that you will NEVER ever see a brahman that is that square on the hip and has that much muscling and style. i hate that we have to have brahman blood in our cattle in order for them to survive down here. but i thank he is much of a man and id use him anyday

 

[SFASUshowman]

I have loved this Brahman bull since the first time I saw him...he is a man among boys in my opinion of the Brahman breed...but I wouldnt go as far as to say that you will never see a Brahman that square and stylish....V8 has been producing them like this for years...and there are several other breeders that put some good ones on the ground to...we happened to be going in at the Louisiana State Fair just as the National Brahma show was wrapping up...and I must say I am impressed with how far the Brahman breed has come in the last several years...there were some square, stout, stylish cattle in that show!

 

[Bradenh]

I wouldnt go as far as to say that you will never see a Brahman that square and stylish

lets see a picture of one

 

[justintime]

I wouldnt go as far as to say that you will never see a Brahman that square and stylish

lets see a picture of one

How about these ones? I plucked them off the V8 Ranch website. They all appear to be square hipped enough for me. In fact I think they are designed very close to right as they have retained the proper rump structure to assure calving ease while making the hip more square and appealing. Take a look at where the hook bones and pin bones are located on these beasts. I think these are classic examples of the proper angle these have to be, in order to calve properly. Ever wonder why you don't hear much talk about calving issues or birth weight issues in most eared cattle? It is because these cattle are designed so that they could probably calve an elephant unassisted. I still maintain that many of the calving issues the so called mainstream beef breeds have, are almost entirely "man made" in our constant quest to design cattle with a big square hip and lots of so called eye appeal. We have been very successful in doing this, but we have also decreased the calving efficiency in many of our females by doing this. In order to design a " better beast" we all need to understand what traits need tweeking and which are best left alone.

 

[Bradenh]

here is a pictue of a beefmaster bull that a close friend owns. johnny cash. not a brahman. but still an eared bull

 

[Silver]

"In fact I think they are designed very close to right as they have retained the proper rump structure to assure calving ease while making the hip more square and appealing. Take a look at where the hook bones and pin bones are located on these beasts. I think these are classic examples of the proper angle these have to be, in order to calve properly. Ever wonder why you don't hear much talk about calving issues or birth weight issues in most eared cattle? It is because these cattle are designed so that they could probably calve an elephant unassisted. I still maintain that many of the calving issues the so called mainstream beef breeds have, are almost entirely "man made" in our constant quest to design cattle with a big square hip and lots of so called eye appeal. We have been very successful in doing this, but we have also decreased the calving efficiency in many of our females by doing this. In order to design a " better beast" we all need to understand what traits need tweeking and which are best left alone. "

So true, just take a look at the difference between those bulls and something like hired man, http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cattle.com/semen/images/102_Hired_Man.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cattle.com/semen/bulls/102_Hired_Man.aspx&usg=__e7ClTNXUk6ubMocwCI_Q-yXF_mA=&h=210&w=300&sz=16&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=fAtzoLUvc8TIQM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=193&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHired%2Bman%2Bbull%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D798%26bih%3D413%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=517&vpy=89&dur=102&hovh=168&hovw=240&tx=141&ty=62&ei=PSv_TMTyC4qisAOSrsywCw&oei=Xir_TJHFNIa6sAP2v62rCw&esq=3&page=1&ndsp=6&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0 . I would prefer to have gravity on my side when a cow is calving.

 

[SWMO]

Best bull we ever owned hands down for the commercial money making side was a Braford.  What little dock you got at the sale barn for the ear was more than made up in pounds of calf weaned.  And the replacement females were just flat out good.  Easy keeping, bred right back calves unassisted.  The only consistent problem we ever had was that some of the  cows as they aged  would try and prolapse prior to calving.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

It really doesnt make sense to dock ear cattle in areas where they are necessary for survival-latent greed by the middlemen ,like docking reds roans yellows etc. O0

 

[qbcattle]

I used tommy bahama last year on a good maine cow of mine and i got twin bull calves. I could not be more pleased, and one of them is looking like he could be the best brahman i have raised yet. As for most square hip on a bull idk about that.

The first pic is Charley's Jazz, truly one of the most quare hipped brahmans out there.

The second pic is Elmo, another very impressive brahman.

The last pics are of my tommy bahama son.

 

[outlawcattlecompany]

That is a good brahman bull, but there are a LOT of good brahmn bulls nowdays. In my 8 years of having Santa Gertrudis cattle, I've pulled one calf and that was my fault for not know how to feed a bred yearling to minimize the chance of a 100 lb calf. I don't have the time or sanity to worry during calving season like some of ya'll have to. EAR makes life EASIER.

I also wean just as big if not bigger calves than any commercial producer in my area. Small BW, high growth.

 

[bart]

EAR makes life EASIER.

amen ask my boys that. i preach it everyday

 

[DCC show cattle]

Any bull can take a good picture but if your looking for good cross bred americans it starts with an american cow and a exotic/british bull

 

[Silver]

It really doesnt make sense to dock ear cattle in areas where they are necessary for survival-latent greed by the middlemen ,like docking reds roans yellows etc. O0

Up north its just common sense. I wouldn't want to buy a set of eared cattle that are adapted for 100 degree weather and then stick them in my feedlot and expect them to be able to take the -30 degree nights. Its alot harder on them than the british breeds. We've had some 3/4 brahman cows that just couldn't take the constant beating of winter. Besides if they do make it through the winter frostbite will have shortened those ears up some. (lol)

 

[BDCO]

As far as my opinion of tommy bahama, he's short bodied, WEAK behind his hump, and fat. If you want to see good brahman bulls look at www.jdhudgins.com/semen.html or http://www.v8ranch.com/sires.html I know he's a V8 bull but there are definitely ALOT better ones out there. In my opinion Superstroke is still the man among boys in brahman bulls.

 

[Bradenh]

Any bull can take a good picture but if your looking for good cross bred americans it starts with an american cow and a exotic/british bull

i agree with that, thats how we do it. american cows and sim angus and charolais bulls on them.

 

[CAB]

From all of these pictures, I just admire how well balanced all of the bulls look from the front to back and they all would appear at least to be sound structurally.

 

[dimebag]

QB , can you give me a call abou
t the Tommy Bahama bull ? 979 777 4594

 

[Bradenh]

From all of these pictures, I just admire how well balanced all of the bulls look from the front to back and they all would appear at least to be sound structurally.

yes we never have any problems with soundness in our american cattle. now come euro x americans. they can get it from the exotic. but a straight american wont usually be unsound