A pretty much all red Shorthorn bull that sired class winners

[aj]

I was just pondering........if I did AI cows again what bull would I use. I would like a red bull with a bwt 90 or less, easy keeping moderate framed that sired just enough style for shorthorn plus classes. The one bull I have Sodhouse Stylist is really throwing some neat cattle and I wanted to build on that. I wondered about that Bretz bull.......maybe called Red Cloud or sired by Red Cloud but I'm not sure about the pattern of his calves.

 

[RyanChandler]

You’re going to have to play with fire to get the results you’re looking for there.  A conundrum for us all.

 

[RyanChandler]

I wasn't sure what the technical definition of red is. Seems like we ran through this once before. Would a red Shorthorn bull be homo red if he sired only solid red calves. My personal goal is to develop cattle that are solid red.

Even those that are rwm are homozygous red. 

Just like Herefords, they have two red alleles (bb)

 

[aj]

Red Cloud 7060

 

[aj]

Byland Mission?

 

[oakview]

I don't know as if Mission has sired many show winners. 

 

[aj]

I'm sure that's the case. Bolze told me that he liked the type of 7060 and Byland Mission. They had a look. In order to win the big time plus shows......they have to be black and they are th carriers 90% of time. i don't want to go there.

 

[oakview]

I hate to tell you this, but you and I are never going to win big time shows, + or otherwise.  I don't care if we use a pink and blue bull.  Mission seemed to do a good job for Don, might be a little big for some operations.  We're both old enough to do what we want and who cares?

 

[aj]

Good point.

 

[Medium Rare]

How about Kane Captain AJ?

He's available to all, affordable, Red, and has put a few class winners out there in limited use on big time show lines. Pedigree is not high bw or the typical main stream Trump line breeding.

 

[GM]

AJ, from what I recall in your ads in SC you’ve been bold in your bull selection over the years.  Why not be bold again?  Take a risk on something more modern than Mission or 7060 (both of whom are products of the mid 90’s).  There are plenty of red bulls with style and substance out there who were born in the last 5-7 years that could be different enough to be unique and bet on.  With enough volume you’re bound to get 1 or 2 that are good enough to have fun showing...while still being different.  Or, go back further than Mid 90’s and grab a pre-frame race red bull who was under utilized due to the type change and see what an entire calf crop would bring.  Surprise everyone, and then post pictures.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Heres a couple red ones that have sired some good ones-The first young bull on cows is now available hes edging towards being a trait leader in several categories from jump st-See Dales ad in the April Country with stats-HorCommodity out of a really nice Wildside  female that goes back to THREE-Pacer Performance dams-Mission, Golds everybody is back there on him No 3- The PLCC Red bull by K Kim Gold Version has been used almost exclusively on commercial cows in Montana but has sired the grand champ bull at the Montana big show (6 month old calf) and a bunch of commercial bulls, bunch of good daughters O0

 

[(WRS)]

Are the Thermal Image calves attractive. I think that was his name.

I think you are thinking of Thermal Energy AJ. If so, the lot 5 bull that Bowman's sold in their November sale sold for over 40K. I saw him and I thought he was pretty neat. Super sound, functional, and very nicely designed in his pattern. I wonder if that cow, Maggie 73R, didn't have as much to do with that bull than Thermal Energy. Maggie 73R has made numerous high quality herd bulls Task Force, Maximus, Banjo, etc . Other than that bull, there haven't been a lot of Thermal Energies that blew me away. That being said sample size is low and Thermal Energy hasn't been put on many Show Cows.

Your best bet if you want red is to go the HC or Red Reward genetics. Sons out of either one of these bulls may be able to accomplish what you are looking for.

 

[Doc]

I'll throw in SLF Red Hot Commodity. He is loaded with calving ease with being sired by Hot Commodity and his dam is a Red Demand dtr out of a Red Reward cow. Then throw in Destiny Best cow family. He has sired both Champions at the 2019 TN Agribition sale in his first crop. Definitely throws style and good rib shape with a good hip also. With his semen at $25/straw and no certificates that makes him affordable for everyone. Has great EPD's to back him up also.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Buy some semen on the old Red Bull, Trump III. Make AJ Great Again. Steerplanet grin.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I'll throw in SLF Red Hot Commodity. He is loaded with calving ease with being sired by Hot Commodity and his dam is a Red Demand dtr out of a Red Reward cow. Then throw in Destiny Best cow family. He has sired both Champions at the 2019 TN Agribition sale in his first crop. Definitely throws style and good rib shape with a good hip also. With his semen at $25/straw and no certificates that makes him affordable for everyone. Has great EPD's to back him up also.

Where is semen available? He looks like a good heifer bull to sample

 

[Doc]

I'll throw in SLF Red Hot Commodity. He is loaded with calving ease with being sired by Hot Commodity and his dam is a Red Demand dtr out of a Red Reward cow. Then throw in Destiny Best cow family. He has sired both Champions at the 2019 TN Agribition sale in his first crop. Definitely throws style and good rib shape with a good hip also. With his semen at $25/straw and no certificates that makes him affordable for everyone. Has great EPD's to back him up also.

Where is semen available? He looks like a good heifer bull to sample

The semen is through me. We are jumping him this coming week. We have been very pleased with his calves out of the purebred and the commercial cows both.

 

[Doc]

Buy some semen on the old Red Bull, Trump III. Make AJ Great Again. Steerplanet grin.

I can hook him up with some. I don't have much left but I do have some. He actually made some pretty decent daughters. I hated when I had to ship him.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I'll throw in SLF Red Hot Commodity. He is loaded with calving ease with being sired by Hot Commodity and his dam is a Red Demand dtr out of a Red Reward cow. Then throw in Destiny Best cow family. He has sired both Champions at the 2019 TN Agribition sale in his first crop. Definitely throws style and good rib shape with a good hip also. With his semen at $25/straw and no certificates that makes him affordable for everyone. Has great EPD's to back him up also.

/// His full sister looked stouter than him but thats pictures-What ever happened to her? O0

 

[Doc]

I'll throw in SLF Red Hot Commodity. He is loaded with calving ease with being sired by Hot Commodity and his dam is a Red Demand dtr out of a Red Reward cow. Then throw in Destiny Best cow family. He has sired both Champions at the 2019 TN Agribition sale in his first crop. Definitely throws style and good rib shape with a good hip also. With his semen at $25/straw and no certificates that makes him affordable for everyone. Has great EPD's to back him up also.

/// His full sister looked stouter than him but thats pictures-What ever happened to her? O0

Still kicking out calves. Weaned a real nice November, solid red Hill Haven Distinction bull calf off of her a couple of weeks ago. Yea, Red Hot is thicker than what the picture shows. He puts a real nice hip on his calves that carries down into their lower 1/4 real well. Not saying he is club calf thick but he is thick enough to get the job done for what we want him to do. Him and his calves look good enough that Curtis and Wes Wise wanted to lease him.