Ace of diamonds (shorthorn)

[kndcattle]

I'm getting ready to pick up my aod semen soon.  Since the semen is getting rare I dont want to waste it different types of ciws.  So I'm wondering what kind of cow does he mate good with.  Thanks. 

 

[OH Breeder]

If you have a compact deep bodied female he will work to bring them up and can suck the depth out of them if you aren't careful. On deep made cows he reminds me of hannibal. Makes them larger framed and plenty rib but has to have some base width and depth to work with.

 

[kndcattle]

I know it isn't the best pic but all I have on hand. This is cow I have in mind breeding him to.  Think this matting could work. 

 

[OH Breeder]

Beautiful cow. I am not sure what you are wanting to achieve from this mating. The one thing that i don't understand is when you dig in to some of the bulls pedigree their numbers disappear. she would be an awesome cow for monopoly for clubbier made steers and females. Beautiful profiled cow looks like she has plenty of neck and body. What is the breeding on your female?

 

[kndcattle]

I looked up him on ASA and seen what you said about the numbers.  Very interesting.  Also thanks for your comments on the cow.  We really like her too.  im mainly after making good females right now.  I bought the cow from Masonic Village in PA.  She is sired by their herd sire Jack Frost (CF Trump) and Dam is sired by Waukaru Copperfield.  I have done some clubby with her in past but i want to get some PB shorthorn replacements before she gets too old.  I thought about AOD because he is outcrossed to a lot of show type shorthorn bulls out there. 

 

[OH Breeder]

this is purely my opinion I would look at bulls indexing high in maternal values; They may not be the highest in show ring but if you want to build a base of maternal females use the bulls breeding history vs show ring performance for that. JMO

 

[mark tenenbaum]

HERE ARE SOME FAMILIAR AND MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ideas-all these bulls will produce -COWS.I think Frank over at Masonic has done a great job-the cattle are very good all the way around.1: Bradley Eisminger-who is STRICTLY a maternal beeder has Studers Precision:whos by Roanoke Flashback (TPS Leader 21stxRPS Tribunexa real good Shouflers Bonito cow)-and I think hes the best bull Bradley ever used-Hes a changer-and makes them deeper and thicker than just about any non-clubby bull Ive seen-ask Frank About him-the roan hiefer is out of him-and the pic just doesnt do her. 2: NBS Lowrider-Steve French has him-CUSTOM made for a Jack Fost-Trump etc, 3: Sull Red Demand-for functional LOW Bws etc 4: Just go up a few notches (or down) to the thread on HC BLUEBOOK-or see the new red bull in Okotocs (I think) avatar-HC also has the roan bull in his avatar-and hes a moose: I would not say low BW the way hes bred-but if the cow is-hed really work-There are also a number of other very good Canadian bulls.CALVING EASE: NO 1 choice jmo- FOR a CE hiefer bull that makes cattle that show-WILL LANES ELBEE bull is by far one of THE BEST available-hes already produced a bunch of hiefers and a nationally competitive show bull. Of all the Captain Obvious etc-JT Moreland probaly has the most usefull of the bunch JMO-although he isnt going to have the performance (NOR THE BIRTH WTS) of some of the others.His bull will be with the the better CE HIEFER bulls around. Another CE bull: FF Redman-is the mature red bull pictured-hell have probably the highest growth curve of the PROVEN  DOCUMENTED CE deals-and goes back to alot of good Brockmueller and Shalimar performance cattle that had some maine in em-you can see it in the way hes made-and as deep as your cow is-and the way shes bred-HE MAY BE A GOOD ALL AROUND CHOICE for what Id want  LAST BUT CERTAINELY NOT LEAST-IS: Martindale Enticer; the roan with a couple pics.-again- PROVEN CE-there are 4-6 pages of calves registered to him-and hed be an A$%%^&*(S kicker on a cow like her-Hes owned by Brent Elam-who breeds almost as maternal as Bradley: and there have been some real nice calves out of him. The Martins have JMO the best cattle for the money IN THE BREED-PERIOD.O0

 

[sue]

Beautiful cow. I am not sure what you are wanting to achieve from this mating. The one thing that i don't understand is when you dig in to some of the bulls pedigree their numbers disappear. she would be an awesome cow for monopoly for clubbier made steers and females. Beautiful profiled cow looks like she has plenty of neck and body. What is the breeding on your female?

The reason the "numbers disappear " is because the breeders are not WHR members. AOD has high accuracy EPD's as in 80% or higher so I would pay more attention the that then worry about the breeding behind him. She looks real nice too.

 

[kndcattle]

Thanks guys for all the great advice.  I have been in the "show" breeding world for awhile.  Now i realize that i need to get back to the maternal side.  So i'm not sure what is going to work best since these bulls are new to me.  I've got a lot of homework to do now.  Thanks again