Alta Cedar Code Red

[shortii]

Wanted to know what people thought of him as a sire? What does his daughters look like? Should I look for another calving ease bull?

Thanks for your comments. it really helps a lot.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Is he proven calving ease ? I wasn't aware he was calving ease bull. I think he has been used successfully by Alta Cedar and across the pond to.

 

[RyanChandler]

I would consider him proven as far a calving ease based on his progenies birthweights and also his parentage and their epd profile (w/ some decent accuracies).  My bigger concern would be how he's all pinched in his heart behind his shoulder.

 

[Jacob B]

It's funny that the first thing you say when you are considering him a "calving ease sire" is his babies birth weights and not the shape of his babies. (lol)  I know next to nothing about him, so I can't comment on it.  I would ask around and see what people that have used him and on what kind of cows/heifers he was used to see if he may or may not be "calving ease."  I guess that teerm means different things to different people.

 

[RyanChandler]

It's funny that the first thing you say when you are considering him a "calving ease sire" is his babies birth weights and not the shape of his babies. (lol)  I know next to nothing about him, so I can't comment on it.  I would ask around and see what people that have used him and on what kind of cows/heifers he was used to see if he may or may not be "calving ease."  I guess that teerm means different things to different people.

Absolutely! Birthweight should be the number 1 criteria for evaluating calving ease.  There are no 120lb calves that come easy.  Any heifer that can't calve a 60lber didn't pass her pelvic exam.  When the largest calf recorded out of him is 88lbs, I will hang my hat on him as a low (enough) bw bull to use on heifers.  The bull had an 80lb bw in CANADA.  I calved out over 20 heifers this year to 2 'unproven' bulls w/ a 100% live calf rate- 1 pull.  Under your direction, what was your calf crop's survival rate, again?

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

The first Code Red calves will born in Brazil on late year. I own some few straws him as well from Lad's Legacy. Hope him will add style and meat on herds here.

 

[shortii]

It's funny that the first thing you say when you are considering him a "calving ease sire" is his babies birth weights and not the shape of his babies. (lol)  I know next to nothing about him, so I can't comment on it.  I would ask around and see what people that have used him and on what kind of cows/heifers he was used to see if he may or may not be "calving ease."  I guess that teerm means different things to different people.

Well I thought I would take the shorthorn associations word when they have him labeled as calving ease in the shorthorn country. I personally don't know anyone who has used him so I thought I would try on here. So I guess my next question is, what bulls does everyone else use on their Shorthorn heifers? 

 

[shortyjock89]

Probably nothing you would find in the Shorthorn Country.  We personally use our herd sire a bit, as well as I 80, Simplicity, and Money Man (Maine Anjou). We've also had good luck with TM Gus, but I wouldn't call him completely heifer safe on account of how stout our calves have been out of him (no assistance, they're just trucks).

 

[thunderdownunder]

It's funny that the first thing you say when you are considering him a "calving ease sire" is his babies birth weights and not the shape of his babies. (lol)  I know next to nothing about him, so I can't comment on it.  I would ask around and see what people that have used him and on what kind of cows/heifers he was used to see if he may or may not be "calving ease."  I guess that teerm means different things to different people.

Absolutely! Birthweight should be the number 1 criteria for evaluating calving ease.  There are no 120lb calves that come easy.  Any heifer that can't calve a 60lber didn't pass her pelvic exam.  When the largest calf recorded out of him is 88lbs, I will hang my hat on him as a low (enough) bw bull to use on heifers.  The bull had an 80lb bw in CANADA.  I calved out over 20 heifers this year to 2 'unproven' bulls w/ a 100% live calf rate- 1 pull.  Under your direction, what was your calf crop's survival rate, again?

There's no point having an 80lb calf if it's shoulders are wide open. Calf shape is much more important than weight.

 

[JPS]

Are you asking about the first Alta Cedar Code Red out of Alta Cedar Signature?  If so, I used him one season.  You need to use him on cows with volume, otherwise the calves lacked volume.  I do have one cow in production that turned out well, she is coming with her second calf.  Her first calf was a nice heifer out of JDMC Remedy, which I sold to another breeder.

The Code Red sons that Brian and Marti Warner have seem to be doing well for them, though.  I hear their calves are nice.

 

[Lucky_P]

shortii,
I'm fairly new to the Shorthorn deal - have only been breeding to SH sires for about 3 years - and we're strictly commercial, breeding SHxAN to make COWS -  not into the show/club deal, so take this for what it's worth...

Waukaru Goldmine 2109 is the real deal on calving ease - have seen enough of his calves here that I'd even use him on all but the smallest Angus heifers in my herd, and not have the slightest concern about 'em calving out to him.
Have a few RS 034 and Captain Obvious calves out of second-timers, and their CE/BW epds are good enough - and calves came easily enough -  that I'd not worry much about using 'em on well-grown heifers of most any breed.
Bred some second-calf cows to Waukaru Gold Card 5042 this fall - don't anticipate any problems, but did not breed him to any virgin heifers - though he may be 'heifer safe'.
Check out the SH offerings at CattleVisions - you can sort 'em by BW epd and compare CE/BW as well as 'own birth weights', etc...

Code Red looks nice, and his CE/BW epds are good enough that I wouldn't back away from using him on 2-yr old second-calvers, but after hanging around here(SP) for a while, I'm still real cautious about the SH birthweight deal and virgin heifers.

 

[irishshorthorns]

I would consider him proven as far a calving ease based on his progenies birthweights and also his parentage and their epd profile (w/ some decent accuracies).  My bigger concern would be how he's all pinched in his heart behind his shoulder.

 


Well XBAR when did you see "Code Red" to be able to describe him the way you did? The pic you have displayed is not the well known Alta Cedar Code Red 24s, it is a photo of the 62w bull.

 

[jaimiediamond]

24S

 

[shortii]

I was asking about  Alta Cedar Code Red 62w. Sorry if there was some confusion with my original question. And thank you everyone for your input. I am sure I will change my mind a million times before it comes down to what i am going to breed my heifers to this year. 

 

[RyanChandler]

I would consider him proven as far a calving ease based on his progenies birthweights and also his parentage and their epd profile (w/ some decent accuracies).  My bigger concern would be how he's all pinched in his heart behind his shoulder.

 


Well XBAR when did you see "Code Red" to be able to describe him the way you did? The pic you have displayed is not the well known Alta Cedar Code Red 24s, it is a photo of the 62w bull.

 

[J2F]

Probably nothing you would find in the Shorthorn Country.  We personally use our herd sire a bit, as well as I 80, Simplicity, and Money Man (Maine Anjou). We've also had good luck with TM Gus, but I wouldn't call him completely heifer safe on account of how stout our calves have been out of him (no assistance, they're just trucks).

Trucks  as in width at the base on the Gus calves? How do they grow? Got any pics?