Angus for Simmental - Need to clean up Neck

[savaged]

Putting together my plans for breeding, and I want to use an Angus bull on some Simmental heifers.  Am thinking Northern Improvement, but wondered what others think would be a good bull to clean-up those simmy necks. 

My other goal is to make good club-calf  Sim-Angus cows.

Thanks for any advice!

 

[Cattledog]

Putting together my plans for breeding, and I want to use an Angus bull on some Simmental heifers.  Am thinking Northern Improvement, but wondered what others think would be a good bull to clean-up those simmy necks.   

My other goal is to make good club-calf  Sim-Angus cows.

Thanks for any advice!

I don't know if I would go the Northern Improvement route.  Don't get me wrong he is a sure fire calving ease bull with some style but I would breed MCATL Reachout.  Those are some of the most rocket fronted angus females that I've seen in a long time and he is proving out to be a calving ease bull himself.  They also have some muscle and substance to go along with it.  I am expecting 4 calves out of him in January and am anxious for their arrival.  Here is a link to him at cattlevisions.

http://www.cattlevisions.com/Angus/MCATL-Reachout.php

 

[CJC]

Dan May said you can use him on heifers.
TMJ has experience with this bull also. Ask him.

http://www.cattleinmotion.com/jacees-ramblin-fever

 

[Cattledog]

I think TMJ said that the one area that the bull may need a little help with is length of neck.  Not 100% sure though.

 

[Bulldaddy]

I have had good luck with OCC Legend on Simmental heifers.  He will cleand up the front and reduce frame.

 

[CAB]

While your @ the Cattle vision's web-site, take a peek @ the bull Dawson's Cherokee 166. He's young and not many calves out of him yet, but I know that Dawson's have had some very good ones out of him. We used him on heifers last season so we'll know more here next spring. We purposely used him to hopefully clean up and extend some fronts hopefully not pinching front ends together in the process. worth cking into I think.

We used Dan's bull Jaycee's Ramblin Fever also, but not on cattle that needed extention. MO is that Ramblin Fever is not a bull that will help fronts. I also don't think that he'll necessarily hurt fronts either. We think that he is fairly complete. We used him on cows that we thought could use more guts and needed help with structure.

 

[CMB]

I'd try several different Schaff bulls. Final Answer seems to do pretty well in a lot of areas. He has a very high accuracy % on calving ease(-1.0), WW(+61), YW(+105), and MM(+20). I have seen some very good females out of him. Pioneer might be another one to look at. Net Worth is hard to beat but he is not calving ease. Seen some really good Predominant heifers this fall.

 

[mooch]

Putting together my plans for breeding, and I want to use an Angus bull on some Simmental heifers.  Am thinking Northern Improvement, but wondered what others think would be a good bull to clean-up those simmy necks.   

My other goal is to make good club-calf  Sim-Angus cows.

Thanks for any advice!

Looks like Rodman from Mid continent will do what you want, especially since you said you want to make club calf cows.he is freaky necked and more bone and muscle than most.

 

[the angus111]

B C LOOKOUT,1.6 BW    MCCURRY HAS MADE A FORTUNE WITH HIM.RUSTY

 

[Cattledog]

B C LOOKOUT,1.6 BW    MCCURRY HAS MADE A FORTUNE WITH HIM.RUSTY

His BW is actually up to 2.7 now.  I am going to be using some Lookout this year, the only thing that concerns me is his ability to really make a pud every now and then.  I will be using him on my cows that are big framed and every one of my cows that I think are way too big.

angus111, I do think you could use him on some heifers if you are careful and you're right about the quality.  He's right at the border for me as a heifer bull. 

 

[the angus111]

another bull I love is Midland,his bw i think around 2.0,not for sure.this guy puts out females,havent seen any simmi cross though. what about bismark,negative bw.hes the bull thats gettin alot of attention.rusty

 

[ploughshare]

A lot of good bulls have been mentioned.  I would also consider MCC Cupid.

 

[CM Livestock]

Might want to consider OCC powerline of 841  i have used him on over 1000 heifers with no difficulty. his daughters make tremendous cows  nice fronted excellent mike and will moderate frame. He is a coneally forefront out of a venture forward dam.. he comes high ly reccomended

 

[Freddy]

I have used Lookout  an really liked the females an didn't run into puds like you can get with some of the Duff bred bulls.  Someone told me the other night that to not use Lookout because he is Legend an will have milk problems, what about this .....

 

[the angus111]

I have not heard that.You know it might be the cows side of the deal also.I had 1407 daughters,I was told they were bad uddered ,no milking pukes. bought them at ratcliffs, they had good udders and milked well,easy keepin.I dont know,sometimes I think we lay to much blame on the sire and look less at the cow's genetics.Regardless the females that sold in Mt.Hope were some good rips.alots of eye appeal.I hope they make cows and make nice calves. rusty

 

[SEA]

OCC Echelon.  Full brother to OCC Emblazon.  Only $15/straw.  Can afford to use him on large groups of cows or commercially.  Easy calving.  Just as good as Emblazon.  A touch bigger framed than Legend, but not quite as stout.  Good fronted.  Excellent udders.  Plus all the "normal" Ohlde traits.  Makes excellent cows.  All the guys that love Emblazon, I never did understand why more people don't use Echelon.

 

[dana hutchison]

rodman  occ legend  occ general

 

[3c]

Anchor- Epd's kept him from taking off, but he is plenty good and will add rib. Daughters milk good. He won't downsize as bad as the other Ohlde bulls I have used. He is not considered Ce but I never had a problem.

Ramblin Fever- Will make pretty females. Crosses good with Dream ons.

All Star- Will add more hair and rib than any angus bull. Makes good uddered females. Not considered Ce but I haven't had any calving problems out of heifers.

Heavy Hitter- Haven't got calves out of him yet but he's going be good.

 

[Cattledog]

Heavy Hitter- Haven't got calves out of him yet but he's going be good.

Agree on heavy hitter but he is definitely not a heifer bull!  Only breed him to cows.

 

[3c]

Agree on heavy hitter but he is definitely not a heifer bull!  Only breed him to cows.
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I think every one takes the calving ease thing in angus to far. In my opinion if you are using these bulls on larger framed breeds like simmental you will not have any problems with heifers. The epd's are breed specific. I have used All Star on over 40 heifers with no pulls and he is around +4 on birth.Most of these were straight angus some were simmental.