Annual Shorthorn meeting

[aj]

Any recorded sessions available? Shocking new stuff?

 

[idalee]

I don't know about recorded sessions.  A few items are as follows:
1.  The first calves have arrived in the University of Illinois Herd Sire Test.  151 calves were born,  100%
un-assisted with an average birth weight of 86 pounds from 20 different sires
2.  The most desirable carcass weight is 850 pounds and Shorthorns have gotten a little too small to satisfy that standard.
3.  There is nearly a 25% profit advantage to a three way cross than purebred
4.  14% increase in Senior Memberships,  19% increase in Junior Memberships
5.  30 years ago the typical feed efficiency was 8 pounds feed for 1 pound gain;  today there are some cattle at less than 4 pounds feed for 1 pound gain
6.  AND -  the reason Colin Kaepernick has not signed is because he can't get his helmet on over all that hair!

 

[shortybreeder]

I don't know about recorded sessions.  A few items are as follows:
1.  The first calves have arrived in the University of Illinois Herd Sire Test.  151 calves were born,  100%
un-assisted with an average birth weight of 86 pounds from 20 different sires
2.  The most desirable carcass weight is 850 pounds and Shorthorns have gotten a little too small to satisfy that standard.
3.  There is nearly a 25% profit advantage to a three way cross than purebred
4.  14% increase in Senior Memberships,  19% increase in Junior Memberships
5.  30 years ago the typical feed efficiency was 8 pounds feed for 1 pound gain;  today there are some cattle at less than 4 pounds feed for 1 pound gain
6.  AND -  the reason Colin Kaepernick has not signed is because he can't get his helmet on over all that hair!

I thought they only used 15 sires in the Illinois test? 20 units of each to breed 300 cows... plus I just watched the American Rancher video and Montie said 15 were used on that episode.

 

[Doc]

#2 is interesting !!!

 

[beebe]

I don't know about recorded sessions.  A few items are as follows:
1.  The first calves have arrived in the University of Illinois Herd Sire Test.  151 calves were born,  100%
un-assisted with an average birth weight of 86 pounds from 20 different sires
2.  The most desirable carcass weight is 850 pounds and Shorthorns have gotten a little too small to satisfy that standard.
3.  There is nearly a 25% profit advantage to a three way cross than purebred
4.  14% increase in Senior Memberships,  19% increase in Junior Memberships
5.  30 years ago the typical feed efficiency was 8 pounds feed for 1 pound gain;  today there are some cattle at less than 4 pounds feed for 1 pound gain
6.  AND -  the reason Colin Kaepernick has not signed is because he can't get his helmet on over all that hair!

I am thinking it takes about a 1400 cow to produce a 1400 steer that will hang a 850 lb. carcass.  Are there many shorthorn cows smaller than that, or is my math wrong?

 

[RyanChandler]

You would expect the straight shorthorn to be much less than this 850lb standard.. This number represents the desirable weight for terminal cross steers. 

Most ideal would be to breed 4 frame 1200lb shorthorn cross (f1) cows to 6+ frame terminal growth bulls to arrive at the 850 lb desirable carcass weights. 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

It would be quicker to use shorthorn x Angus or whatever cows to achieve that kind of goal-but very few people in the US want to do that-JIT can fill everybody in how that works up in Canada-there is just a lot more usage of Shorthorns up there-more examples

 

[beebe]

I was thinking hanging weight would be about 60% of live weight.  I think there is a correlation between mature cow weight and finished weight of that cows offspring.  I recognize the influence of a terminal sire.  I just was surprised that shorthorns might be too small.  I have what I think is the ideal cow for me.  I thought she was a frame score 4 1250 pound cow.  She has an awesome calf so I weighed them both.  It turns out that she weighed 1380, he weighed 720, without creep.  Maybe I need to weigh more of my cows.

 

[RyanChandler]

If bred to a bull with similar genetics, offspring should finish hundred lbs heavier than dam.

Keep in mind, whoever dropped the stat about Shorthorns is only basing their comments on results attained at the tri state feed out— which is hardly an accurate representation of the breed as a whole.


If she’s raising the calf and not the environment, a 1380ln cow at weaning is well over 1500lbs walking weight in good times. I would suspect both the cows you got from JIT to be at least this size, they both were among the smallest cows in the offering-  take note of this and keep it in mind as a frame of reference when he replies about the whole herd calving unassisted to literally the largest birthweight genetics in the breed.

Might as well just derail this topic now as unless you were privileged to the CLOSED meetings that take place PRIOR to the annual blah blh get together,  then the only information you could’ve possibly attained has to do with generic industry information absolutely nothing to do with how the Shorthorn Association plans to better allocate our funds to advance the Shorthorn breed.  I went a few years ago-I mean it’s a reasonable time if you’re just looking to go shoot the shit and have a few drinks with your buddies but if you’re going with the expectation of hearing anything of any relevancy to the advancement of Shorthorns, specifically their plan of action, well then you’re going to be highly disappointed.  I would compare it to the first and last Shorthorn University I went to where the overwhelming majority of the content youre exposed to has nothing to do with Shorthorns.

 

[beebe]

If bred to a bull with similar genetics, offspring should finish hundred lbs heavier than dam.

Keep in mind, whoever dropped the stat about Shorthorns is only basing their comments on results attained at the tri state feed out— which is hardly an accurate representation of the breed as a whole.


If she’s raising the calf and not the environment, a 1380ln cow at weaning is well over 1500lbs walking weight in good times. I would suspect both the cows you got from JIT to be at least this size, they both were among the smallest cows in the offering-  take note of this and keep it in mind as a frame of reference when he replies about the whole herd calving unassisted to literally the largest birthweight genetics in the breed.

Might as well just derail this topic now as unless you were privileged to the CLOSED meetings that take place PRIOR to the annual blah blh get together,  then the only information you could’ve possibly attained has to do with generic industry information absolutely nothing to do with how the Shorthorn Association plans to better allocate our funds to advance the Shorthorn breed.  I went a few years ago-I mean it’s a reasonable time if you’re just looking to go shoot the **** and have a few drinks with your buddies but if you’re going with the expectation of hearing anything of any relevancy to the advancement of Shorthorns, specifically their plan of action, well then you’re going to be highly disappointed.  I would compare it to the first and last Shorthorn University I went to where the overwhelming majority of the content youre exposed to has nothing to do with Shorthorns.

The sire of the calf I mentioned is DMH MINN MAX LEARER who is maybe a frame score four, maybe not that big.  If the calf was sired by Saskvalley Blue Jeans, I believe that calf would finish much heavier than the mother.  As for the two Sparkle cows, they are much larger than anything I have.  They are also some of the deepest and thickest cows that also I believe some of the easiest fleshing cows that I have seen.  It is that fleshing trait and the capacity that they have that attracted me too them.  I believe I have the tools to transfer that flesh to my commercial herd without adding too much frame.

As for the association, all I expect from them is to keep track of the pedigrees.  I can't see much interest in the real world cattle business. 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

If bred to a bull with similar genetics, offspring should finish hundred lbs heavier than dam.

Keep in mind, whoever dropped the stat about Shorthorns is only basing their comments on results attained at the tri state feed out— which is hardly an accurate representation of the breed as a whole.


If she’s raising the calf and not the environment, a 1380ln cow at weaning is well over 1500lbs walking weight in good times. I would suspect both the cows you got from JIT to be at least this size, they both were among the smallest cows in the offering-  take note of this and keep it in mind as a frame of reference when he replies about the whole herd calving unassisted to literally the largest birthweight genetics in the breed. //////      (clapping) (clapping) (pop) O0

 

[aj]

I don't know that the association is to blame for anything. Targets conditions and corn prices change over the years. The dna testing fascinates me. I just wonder......that in the future......beef as "a commodity" might change into more branded products for one thing.

 

[aj]

If each breed.......became mostly a branded product..........?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

There should be legit taste tests -a scientific assessment doesn't say anything about which burger tastes better to the end user O0

 

[knabe]

There should be legit taste tests -a scientific assessment doesn't say anything about which burger tastes better to the end user O0

There sort of already is.  They are called restaurants.

 

[aj]

What is there to stop.......say the certified angus boys from saying............you meet our genetic dna profile for marbling or you don't get the premium market. I would argue that the Shorthorn assc would say........if you don't meet our shear force test-genetic profile.....so long. The dna stuff works so why would not it be used in this manner?

 

[shortybreeder]

What is there to stop.......say the certified angus boys from saying............you meet our genetic dna profile for marbling or you don't get the premium market. I would argue that the Shorthorn assc would say........if you don't meet our shear force test-genetic profile.....so long. The dna stuff works so why would not it be used in this manner?

Because the goal of a branded program is generally to promote the use of a specific breed within commercial operations, and requiring commercial producers to undergo genetic testing on calves to qualify for premiums would be a hard sell. Even if the association paid for the tests you would still have the labor costs of collecting samples, costs of maintaining those calves while you wait for the results, and then somebody needs to regulate and monitor which calves in the pen qualify and which ones don't.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

And everything is an ANGUS BURGER-even though Ive driven all over Iowa and seen ALOT of feedlots full of Holstien steers -future "ANGUS BURGERS" O0

 

[knabe]

One doesn't need breeds to brand for tenderness or anything.


Lots of easy ways to make the ultimate beef which varies from consumer to consumer


Peidmontese x waygu x favorite breed.


Guaranteed marbling, guaranteed tenderness, guaranteed haircoat colors.


Breeds are not necessary.

 

[aj]

If the Pioneer seed corn company can trademark or copyright a certain corn variety..........what would keep a person or say the American Angus assc from trademarking a "high marble" gene sequence. As of now I as a Shorthorn breeder can infuse such a deal by using a appendix program. Could it become a red hard red winter wheat vs a white wheat deal?