Thank-you all for the nice comments. He is in my opinion, just like Grant's not any other Shorthorn bull but we see so many what do you say. I don't think he had a WW recorded, his epd is all we can see do to his status as a result of ET. He is very dark red, with the exception of some white hairs in his switch, no more than a lot of angus bulls. Thanks again for your input, I honestly do appreciate it!