Any interest in Red Purebred Maines

[Okotoks]

FYI- We had the reserve Grand Bull at the American Royal last fall that happened to be a solid red PB Maine Bull. We have his half sister and full brother (et)  ready for Junior Nationals in a week. They are solid red too.

We have had a ton of interest in our red calves.

Nice looking bull (thumbsup)
Any photos of the ones you took to Junior Nationals?

 

[mick rems]

Not interested in a bull but might would be interested in some purebred red/white Maine Anjou heifers or bred heifers to breed to Star Bucks if they are the right kind. Pictured below is the right kind IMO. I have the best heifer I have ever raised out of a pb red/white maine cow and sired by Star Bucks. Hopefully will have pictures here soon.

those are not PUREBRED that is FULLBLOOD. purebred are 75% + Maine and they are the new genetics, influenced with other breeds ali is purebred maine, so is smoking joe, and many others. fullbloods are the shallow bodied, huge framed, hard doin, red and white old genetics. and hate to say but hav fun finding fullblood genetics. there was a whole whoppin 4 of them at JR NATIONALS. and that's the only place ive seen them, i thnk there is only a few breeder in the country with them and i think most of them are in texas. they also don't grow hair. most maine breeders have new genetics. most show mainetainers and pb maines. very few show the fullbloods.

 

[knabe]

there's more fullblood breeders than people think.  the problem is their herds are small and they don't verify parentage.

quite a few of the old bulls will be submitted to the dna project paid for by the amaa, well really, it's members.  

you are right, they could be no good.  

on the other hand, they may have something useful.  a couple i have tested have shown up pretty good on markers from the different tests and yes, those results could be bogus.

all the original markers from the first bovine panel have been found in fullbloods with full parentage verification as well as identifying several that score well on the bovine 56 panel and ingenuity's.  

yes, again, they are probably all not relevant and probably don't work across breeds, but if some of them are, there is a sufficient number cattle to increase numbers with complete parentage verification.

most of the texas herds do not maintain parentage verification, which when/if the dna project produces something useful, it will be beneficial to stock with known sources of genotypes.

i guess i wouldn't knock the jr nationals too hard as this was the first time they were back in a long time.  the winning heifer was out of canada from gary graham's herd.

i think you will see a little bit more head this year in fort worth than normally shows up there.

as for hair,  how much length is really necessary if everyone clips most of it off anyway. leg hair is a different issue and i haven't seen very many with leg hair.  old time canadians say the purebreds got their hair from galloway's.

to me, the killer of the fullbloods were three fold, one, the early eager push to frame 10 adding to the bw problem, the early push to black without diversity and the cattle market in the mid 70's.  there were plenty of more "moderate" fullbloods that could have been used and lots of that semen was dumped.  too bad.  with as much calving ease as people seem to tolerate, it would seem that issue is somewhat addressable.  also, there are plenty of recent low bw fullbloods, yes without numbers and therefore accuracy.

hopefully some other people will comment.

 

[ZNT]

fullbloods are the shallow bodied, huge framed, hard doin, red and white old genetics. and hate to say but hav fun finding fullblood genetics. there was a whole whoppin 4 of them at JR NATIONALS. and that's the only place ive seen them, i thnk there is only a few breeder in the country with them and i think most of them are in texas. they also don't grow hair.[/quote]

You have not seen what many of the modern day fullbloods look like then.  4J has some of the most competative, and functional Fullblood Maines in the country.

http://www.4jfamilycattle.com/p/fullbloods.html

http://www.4jfamilycattle.com/2012/05/national-champion-at-work.html

 

[mick rems]

there's more fullblood breeders than people think.  the problem is their herds are small and they don't verify parentage.

quite a few of the old bulls will be submitted to the dna project paid for by the amaa, well really, it's members.  

you are right, they could be no good.  

on the other hand, they may have something useful.  a couple i have tested have shown up pretty good on markers from the different tests and yes, those results could be bogus.

all the original markers from the first bovine panel have been found in fullbloods with full parentage verification as well as identifying several that score well on the bovine 56 panel and ingenuity's.  

yes, again, they are probably all not relevant and probably don't work across breeds, but if some of them are, there is a sufficient number cattle to increase numbers with complete parentage verification.

most of the texas herds do not maintain parentage verification, which when/if the dna project produces something useful, it will be beneficial to stock with known sources of genotypes.

i guess i wouldn't knock the jr nationals too hard as this was the first time they were back in a long time.  the winning heifer was out of canada from gary graham's herd.

i think you will see a little bit more head this year in fort worth than normally shows up there.

as for hair,  how much length is really necessary if everyone clips most of it off anyway. leg hair is a different issue and i haven't seen very many with leg hair.  old time canadians say the purebreds got their hair from galloway's.

to me, the killer of the fullbloods were three fold, one, the early eager push to frame 10 adding to the bw problem, the early push to black without diversity and the cattle market in the mid 70's.  there were plenty of more "moderate" fullbloods that could have been used and lots of that semen was dumped.  too bad.  with as much calving ease as people seem to tolerate, it would seem that issue is somewhat addressable.  also, there are plenty of recent low bw fullbloods, yes without numbers and therefore accuracy.

hopefully some other people will comment.

ill agree with ye there, and i realize that most just dont get shown, and the maines used to be more moderate framed back when they first came out, it would be nice to get the full bloods back to the easy doin, moderate framed cattle they were originally. and yes i know that some have galloway influence one of my high % maines has gall in her background. and ik what animals were at jr nationals, i had my steer and bred and owned heifer down there. and ill admit the grahams was one of the better fullbloods ive ever seen, even pictures. i really wish the fullbloods, true chi's, durham red shortys, and fleckvieh simmentals were seen around a bit more at shows, just to prove what all the xbreeding has done to all these breeds. there's not many breeds that are what they were or even close. i give the hereford associations and angus associations props for trying to keep the breeds.
and znt i realize there are some breeders like 4j that have really good fullbloods, i was simply saying that what ive seen, i prolly wouldn't show, if i had ones like 4j's id defiinitely be showin em.