Asterik free Shorthorn X Lincoln Red! Whats the scoop?

[ELBEE]

True or false? Heard they are combining the herd books? I didn't get any answers out of Omaha! Anybody know Sarah Pedelty?

 

[aj]

Sue might know. (dog)

 

[justintime]

I haven't heard anything about this in the US. Here in Canada, the Lincoln Red went into the Canadian Shorthorn herdbook probably 30 years ago. Then about 5 -6 years ago, they seperated so that Lincoln Red have their own herd book again. There are very few Lincoln Red left in Canada so it is really not a big deal anymore.

 

[sue]

Sue might know. (dog)

I didnt even know what a Lincoln red was until this winter? Hey I am driving through KS next week!! ELbee I still know how to get to your place I think. AJ I left a message- hope I had the right number? I think you're on the way to Fieser's??

 

[HSV]

In my opinion, separating the Lincoln Reds back out of the Shorthorn Registry in Canada, really hurt the Lincoln Red portion of the breed. I heard a rumor that this was done to get endangered species status or the equivalent. It is difficult enough to be a Shorthorn Breeder here in Canada with our small numbers, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to be a stand alone Lincoln Red breeder.

 

[ELBEE]

I would consider using a Lincoln Red bull if he was not Shorthorn Plus status. I believe it would be a better deal than the Red aNGUS thing.

The Lincoln Reds I saw 30+ years ago at Pleasant Valley in Brandon Iowa were the real deal. They were just the wrong side of the road for the 70's-80's trend.

 

[knabe]

True or false? Heard they are combining the herd books? I didn't get any answers out of Omaha! Anybody know Sarah Pedelty?

Hi ELBEE!

 

[aj]

Looks like Lincoln Reds are polled with a dark red color. I wasn't really aware of them. One thing about the Durham Reds is they have various shades of red. From orange to a darker red. I would think that orange would be less desirable. I think the Durham Reds need to be taken directly to the commercial people. They won't work in the showring.

 

[r.n.reed]

I went to the Dixie National in the early 80's with the Land of Lincoln Reds.They had a bull called Laidlaw with a butt on him like the Mohican influenced cattle and he was super sound.I think the polled herefords had their national show down there that year and the Laidlaw bull had the most interest in the place.I could never figure out why the breed did not latch on to that type instead of the Illawara stuff.

 

[ELBEE]

I have a nice picture of Laidlaw, and had the opportunity to see him. Very impressive beasty by today's standards!

I'm always keeping my eyes open to better marketing strategies for Shortys, obviously statictics are not enough. We have to deceive the "eye", I believe Lincoln Reds are capable of that deception.

 

[justintime]

The Laidlaw bull was named Green Row Laidlaw. He was sired by Claydene Ever Reddy who was a Lincoln Red/ Shorthorn bull that was way ahead of his time. If Ever Reddy was alive today he would be very popular. Laidlaw was bred by Bert Pepper, in Ontario  who owned Green Row Shorthorns. He sold in Bert's production sale as a calf. I purchased about 20 head in that sale and I remember Laidlaw very well. I thought he was a very good bull and it was a toss up between him and another Ever Reddy son to which was the best calf. I decided to buy the other bull as I liked his dam better than Laidlaw's, but both bulls bred very well. I still have a few straws of Ever Reddy semen in my inventory. I have told my wife that if I die, she will have to book one day just to sell the semen I have accumulated over the years.

 

[wowcows]

It was good to meet you yesterday afternoon Elbee. Look forward to that herd tour. Have fun in D.C.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Lincoln Red bull.................  http://www.papanui.com.au/images/LincolnRedSydneyShow.jpg
Looks like a shorthorn IMO. Never even heard of those before. Thanks SP

 

[HerefordGuy]

From what I have read and from DNA work, American Shorthorns and Lincoln Reds are both decendents of Durham Shorthorns.

 

[yuppiecowboy]

I had two daughters of Green rowlaidlaw in the early 80s.

Lee, lets be honest, Ralphs cattle were wanting. The Gloriadale bull that your dad had was a specimen before his time.

My dad bought Gloriadale Count because Gloriadale Constructor (sons or grandsons of bapton constructor) were stuck in the wheat fields of kansas and couldnt come home and they wouldnt freeze.

 

[Doc]

The Laidlaw bull was named Green Row Laidlaw. He was sired by Claydene Ever Reddy who was a Lincoln Red/ Shorthorn bull that was way ahead of his time. If Ever Reddy was alive today he would be very popular. Laidlaw was bred by Bert Pepper, in Ontario  who owned Green Row Shorthorns. He sold in Bert's production sale as a calf. I purchased about 20 head in that sale and I remember Laidlaw very well. I thought he was a very good bull and it was a toss up between him and another Ever Reddy son to which was the best calf. I decided to buy the other bull as I liked his dam better than Laidlaw's, but both bulls bred very well. I still have a few straws of Ever Reddy semen in my inventory. I have told my wife that if I die, she will have to book one day just to sell the semen I have accumulated over the years.

I had an outstanding heifer when I was an early teen that came from Bert , she was a Green Row Peppermint hfr.
Wsn't there a big breeder of Lincolns' in IL ? Wasn't it Black Walnut Farms? I know Lee bought some at TN Agribition this year.

 

[justintime]

The Laidlaw bull was named Green Row Laidlaw. He was sired by Claydene Ever Reddy who was a Lincoln Red/ Shorthorn bull that was way ahead of his time. If Ever Reddy was alive today he would be very popular. Laidlaw was bred by Bert Pepper, in Ontario  who owned Green Row Shorthorns. He sold in Bert's production sale as a calf. I purchased about 20 head in that sale and I remember Laidlaw very well. I thought he was a very good bull and it was a toss up between him and another Ever Reddy son to which was the best calf. I decided to buy the other bull as I liked his dam better than Laidlaw's, but both bulls bred very well. I still have a few straws of Ever Reddy semen in my inventory. I have told my wife that if I die, she will have to book one day just to sell the semen I have accumulated over the years.

I had an outstanding heifer when I was an early teen that came from Bert , she was a Green Row Peppermint hfr.
Wsn't there a big breeder of Lincolns' in IL ? Wasn't it Black Walnut Farms? I know Lee bought some at TN Agribition this year.

Yes, Lee Deutche  Black Walnut Farms, had a number of Lincoln Red cattle and he purchased Green Row Laidlaw in partnership with Larry Lorenz. For many years, Lee headed to Ontario virtually  every year to get some more Lincoln Reds.  The Lincoln Red do have Shorthorn in their genetic make-up but they are not pure Shorthorn. In Britain, they are a complete seperate breed and they seem to have little to do with the Shorthorn breeders there. There are a few Lincoln Red breeders in Ontario yet, but they are a small bunch. Mechanic, at Hunt Farms, still has a few I think. Hunt Farms imported several from Britain over the years.

In the late 70s and 80s I purchased several, but maybe it was just the ones I had but they seemed to have very low disease resistance. If something was going to get sick, it seemed it was always the LRs that got sick first. Like I said, it maybe was the ones I had, but I purchased these cattle from several different sources.  I watched the Lincoln Red Show at the Royal Highland show in Edinburgh two years ago. The cattle have tremendous thickness and depth of body... big volume cattle yet some of them seemed to be lacking some  natural muscling expression. They have lots and lots of hair, and the LR breeders have started to tackle some of the poor udder qualities in their cows, but there was still some evidence of poor udder issues in some of the females I saw. They seem to cross very well with Shorthorns, at least the ones I have really liked have been crossed with Shorthorns. My Shorthorn X Lincoln Red crosses were always considerably better than the straight Lincolns I had, but I suspect there was a considerable hybrid vigor affect happening in them as well. The genetics in each line was similar to being total outcross or crossing two different breeds.

 

[mechanic]

Yes Grant we still have a couple Lincon Red cows and a 1/2 dozen or so with Lincon red influence. The good Salute heifer we showed last year was out of a 1/2 blood Lincon red cow. If I am right when they figured out her percentage at the ASA they used 100% for the Lincon part of her pedigree. It is very hard to breed the red out of them for sure. You may get a real dark roan but nothing lighter. They also have a tremendous amount of hair right from birth. The hair is very hard to train as it tends to curl quite abit. In the last couple of months we must have had 5 calls from people looking fore Lincon Red females. If you want to send me the Claydene Everready semen I would put it to use as it is very hard to find any semen to use on these cows.

Jim

 

[librarian]

Anyone using Lincoln Reds yet for volume? I'm using a Red Galloway, but Lincoln Reds are more authentic.

 

[Doc]

Anyone using Lincoln Reds yet for volume? I'm using a Red Galloway, but Lincoln Reds are more authentic.

This is our 1/2 Lincoln Red that we have been using. He stays in this condition 365 days.