Beef Friesian

[ShortGrass]

cool retro link.

top notch. a damn good bull back in the day. saw a few offspring of him. i think i would use him today. now you know where some of those hips came from. decent rear end too. for whatever reason, they clicked with angus to downsize the milk. don't know that i ever saw a dairy bag on an amerifax. they prob existed, but i didn't see any. maybe they hung around to graft an extra calf or so and i didn't notice.

Page 2-3 in the Import picture you might recognize the young guy in the middle with the goatee

 

[ShortGrass]

This is what I had in mind as an example of a traditional British Friesian.

On my hunt for a picture (before I seen yours) I came across this link.

Herdmanship

It has a world of information and I'm sure some of you on here would find it interesting even though it's only slightly related to the topic. The British Friesian bull and cow on it are nice animals, but the example of all the animals given is from a world long gone.

I've never come across that link before Hopster. Really good. Thanks.

 

[ShortGrass]

amerifax handout

Cool handout. Lots of good pictures and descriptions in there.

 

[ShortGrass]

i'd say this is a typical amerifax cow. sorta reminds me of another cow that has a better udder and a better hip.

This is some of what I am curious about. I'm curious how far this is from the original F1 cross and if her daughters were similar consistency.

You can definitely see the vision of the type and kind laid out all those years ago and kept that way for going on 50 years. That's such an admirable achievement to me.

 

[knabe]

@knabe do you know if anyone tried to line breed and improve the beef friesians that came over or did they go immediately into crosses and only used that way?

probably only ohlde is the only one who would have tried. the 034 bull may have been one. he did line breeding at the time and am sure he was way up on it.

 

[knabe]

MONEYMORE TOP NOTCH 1965-01-01 ASA #: (8741119)
SHANDON ALI 1970-02-17 ASA #: (8713364)
TUREPO KING ADEMA 1971-01-01 ASA #: (8713894)
TROYCASTLE GYMNAST 45TH 1971-01-01 ASA #: (8741181)
TROYCASTLE GYMNAST 68TH 1971-01-01 ASA #: (8720476)
HORWOOD ARCHON 1971-01-01 ASA #: (8741127)
BIG NOTCH 1972-04-05 ASA #: (8720320)
TROYCASTLE ALI 2 1973-09-08 ASA #: (8720482)
HERMAN THE GERMAN 1976-03-15 ASA #: (8714004)
GEST MAURITS 12TH 1978-05-16 ASA #: (8714203)
LAVENHAM MINOTAUR 1979-01-03 ASA #: (8714308)
GROVE BRUTUS 1980-09-10 ASA #: (8714382)
FAF MR BEEFY 920 1982-03-04 ASA #: (8714568)
FAF KNOCKOUT 034 1984-04-03 ASA #: (8714681)
O C C HI POINT R300 1983-01-27 ASA #: (8714674)
OC RED BARON 313T 1985-02-05 ASA #: (8721207)

i have pictures of a few of those but need to find it.

ohlde would have used or made (obviously) some on that list.

the 034 bull might be the one i saw, but no way to know. i only knew him by his number (ear tag). since there were no dna tests back then, ohlde would test breed bulls to daughters to look for defects. this would be about 25-30 direct daughters.

 

[ShortGrass]

the new breeds from europe were an "easy" offset to the cattle that were too small. they should have just picked the more moderate cattle and bred that way instead of the frame score 10's. it was great seeing all the breeds compete in steer futurities (feeding trials) and all the breeders pushing their breeds. now it's the same, but all angus with some breeds poking their nose into it again finally.

You linked the Genuine JBH podcast with the Alden episode in that other thread. I assuming you have already listened to the Johnny Hook ones but if not you might enjoy them.

I think to me, the great thing about the friesians and amerifax were that they were just very good looking, they didn't have stubby heads etc. that were the angus at the time which was just ending.

To me the 70s would have been just such a fascinating time to be in the cattle business.

You can probably tell by all my posts, I really like all the history of type and kinds and what happens when you mix and match or stay consistent with a vision.

I really really hope someone gets Tim Ohlde on for a podcast where I can hear him talk for hours about cattle from the years to like 72-88.

 

[knabe]

sorta interesting that people don’t look 3-4 matings down the road.

The industry seems over focused on the here and now.

Fwiw,I flushed a direct dabla (tested double muscle free) daughter to a few fullbloods including the one doc-son used in a flush to make his nice heifer as well as 2-3 dabla dons (Also double muscle free)

Sorta want to make a midas fullblood but with dabla in same spot top and bottom instead of staggered only on the top. Cow would be the same. Then cross to other stuff.

Eventually, cow would be diluted out and be equaa as l to the dams of the bulls used.

Pipe dream.

 

[knabe]

he will do it. Just need someone informed enough to ask all the right questions.

 

[knabe]

Page 2-3 in the Import picture you might recognize the young guy in the middle with the goatee

names listed

 

[knabe]

I really really hope someone gets Tim Ohlde on for a podcast where I can hear him talk for hours about cattle from the years to like 72-88.

really interesting is how the group of people (really different groups) got started and got together in different ways against the current narrative and agriculture being so "this is the way we do it". they would have been outcasts. on the other hand, the industry was probably failing everywhere and change was the narrative.

 

[knabe]

John A Quirk,

he had a few amerifax. he had a popular bull QLC Target back in the day. don't know too much about him.

 

[knabe]

a reprint from 1925

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[cbcr]

I will need to do some digging, but I think that their is a herd out is western Nebraska that still has some AmeriFax influence.

Found it.

It is the Dusty Prairie Ranch. https://dustyprairieranch.com

 

[Hopster1000]

I know it's dragging up an older post, but I seen this today and thought it fitted this thread ok.



Good example of a beefy type British milking Fresian.

 

[knabe]

try here.

Kilsunny Pedigree Herds

www.facebook.com

 

[knabe]

Hers a couple really good ones.

 

[ShortGrass]

Hers a couple really good ones.

I like them.

Any idea how big of frame or weight Shandon Ali had? Looks nice and compact in the picture and description reads like that.

 

[knabe]

Cows were on the order of 12-1300 tops. Very moderate snd applicable today. If it were me, I would make them red.