Best Prospect - Club Calf Bull

[WJ Farms]

Man Among Boys and Unstoppable

 

[vet tech]

Smilin bob and believe in me

 

[leanbeef]

Bump. 

Came across this post when doing a search on a bull I'm looking at using. It was kind of neat to read through the opinions from 2 years ago.

I agree...interesting post. And what makes it interesting to me is that it WAS started 2 years ago. I'm not a steer jock or a club calf guy really, but I'm intrigued & interested in the industry, in the bulls and the breeding. I find these type of bulls to be WAY more difficult to sort through than most AI sires, maybe just because I don't see enough of those calves. The pictures are always perfect, and anything can LOOK good when it's standing still and perfectly groomed. The proof is in the pudding!

As far as the question regarding the definition of a "superstar" I think that's an easy one...a superstar is a bull that does lots of things right, works on more than just the best cows and makes average cows better, and he stands the test of time because he creates a legacy of either sons that will replace him or daughters that are better than their mothers. There aren't a LOT of those bulls compared to the number of bulls that have surfaced over the years, but they do exist, and I think the pursuit of them is part of the addiction of being a cattle breeder.

Now...about this Simple Math bull...if a seedstock breeder was looking for a bull to make some crossbred calves & wanted them to be born easily, grow and make sound, functional cattle & be relatively competitive at a relatively competitive level, should that guy be looking at Simple Math? I like that he's clean, that he's homozygous black & a baldy... Does anybody happen to know if the owners ever registered him with the Simmental association? When I talked to them last fall, he said they had though about it & planned to do that at some point.

 

[vet tech]

He will not add any grow or frame. At least that is my experience with simple math.

 

[leanbeef]

He will not add any grow or frame. At least that is my experience with simple math.

The large majority of our cow herd is medium framed with plenty of milk, above average muscling & decent performance. I'm mostly geared toward purebred & composite seedstock, but have a couple of cows I could play around with, and I like to try to raise a show calf or two now and then. One cow is a blue roan 878 1/2 Angus out of a Double Stuff cow that went back to a Hereford x Simmental cross. I have another first calf heifer out of the blue cow sired by Built Right, which makes her a 1/2 Simmie, 1/4 Angus, 1/8 Shorthorn. Besides those two & our seedstock Simmental herd, I manage some Angus cows & have a few smokey-colored Simmental heifers to breed this fall. If they make a black calf & it's good enough, it'll end up in our seedstock calves with the rest. Any gray steers will either be show steers to sell or feeders we'll feed out & sell for beef.

 

[Cattle Cards]

I-80 seems to work on Chi, Angus and Maine cows.  Had some winners this year at the Maine/Chi Nationals.  Calving ease.  Freaky necks.  Ali x Hard Drive x Doctor Who.  And he's only $35/unit.

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[Diamond]

Maybe BIM  ???

 

[Ohio1]

Believe in me!

 

[Carlson Cattle]

is bodacious or BIM better??

 

[Ohio1]

is bodacious or BIM better??

They do different things but in my opinion BIM

 

[Freddy]

BOY  your picking bulls with not much proof on the ground ,I think I would want more proof ,I have tried simple math ,nothing to exciting ,about like using a OLHDE angus bull ....Kept a female that suree fits that description .....wEIGHED BULL ALF UP.....Saw some god AMEN calves ,little more to them .  Will
sure depend on type cow used ....Got some BIM & Fast Freddy TO TRY .....wOULD LIKE TO TRY    MAN AMONG BOYS .....

 

[CAB]

BOY  your picking bulls with not much proof on the ground ,I think I would want more proof ,I have tried simple math ,nothing to exciting ,about like using a OLHDE angus bull ....Kept a female that suree fits that description .....wEIGHED BULL ALF UP.....Saw some god AMEN calves ,little more to them .  Will
sure depend on type cow used ....Got some BIM & Fast Freddy TO TRY .....wOULD LIKE TO TRY    MAN AMONG BOYS .....

Freddy have you seen or heard of some good Fast Freddy's or do you just like the name?

 

[Freddy]

The reason I bought the FAST FREDDY semen was service ,RYAN stopped by ,looked over the calves & we discussed the cattle ,enjoyed talking to him and he suggested for my cows a couple bulls and FAST FREDDY was one of the bulls I bought semen from ....TRAUSCH FARMS are the only semen company
that has set foot on this place andd showed any interest in what I was trying to do ....Never seen a calf out of him ,said he works like HEAT WAVE so I tried him .....

 

[leanbeef]

We have decent performance on the cow herd side, so while I'm not looking for a bull to take that away, I don't necessarily need one that will ADD performance. And I'm not interested in anything that's genetically dirty with any defects. I'd probably lean toward the type of bull people appreciate for his daughters...not necessarily the bull whose steers are winning everything. Although I don't consider that a drawback. I'd want a bull that's especially sound structured & free moving, throws above average muscle and volume, and is normal Or birth weight (meaning average or below average...for regular cows...not compared to extreme BW club calf bulls). Bonus points for homozygous black, a blaze face and a little Simmental blood. That's what I'm looking for, and pretty much why I'm interested in Simple Math. I also like One and Only...he happens to be registered as foundation with ASA though, and his EPDs are pretty terrible!

 

[Cattle Cards]

Bodacious?  Why's everyone so hot on him?  I'm asking seriously as I've not seen anything he's produced.  A few calf pictures?  How do they mature and feed out?

Bojo?  Only seen a few.  Yes, seen a few online that were nice.  What kind of cows?  Seen some poor one's myself.  Again, educated me.

Some of these bulls being suggested are hot, new, promotional bulls.  Only a few have produced enough over a few years to really be considered.  If you want to gamble on the next hot thing, ok, but if you want proven producers at a good price:
Eye Candy - $50
Carnac - $25
Carpe Diem - $25
MilkMan - $25
Yellow Jacket - $30
Jake's Proud Jazz - $30
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[Carlson Cattle]

im going to breed this cow to AMEN. Thoughts on this matchup ??? she is a HEATWAVE X TOTTALY TUNED

 

[Carlson Cattle]

I had to think about this one awhile. My vote is for the Amen bull. His dam really helps his resume.

I've never guessed correctly at this, so I hope I didn't just put a curse on the bull....

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[Carlson Cattle]

simple math will be around for awhile just cuz of the way he is bred.
amen really looks good i see him like a point taken type of bull.
smilin bob heard too many good things and bred to tooo many cows for him not to stick around

How many of these bulls when bred to some of the best cows pop some calves,  then when they hit the mass market and tank bred to just average cows.  Bulls that improve everything and work on many cattle types are rare.  The fact that we are playing with crossed up genetics on crossed up cattle the repeatability of many of these bulls is the pits. 

Anyhow my pick is.... Amen

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