Black hided myth assc.

[aj]

If global warming did occur and ave temps went up 5 degrees black cattle would be out and Red cattle would be in. If I can hold on for another 500 years I may be sitting on a gold mine.

 

[Silver]

I really don't care what color they are, in fact if reds were marketable I might have a (few) today. I bet I would have one hell of a time tryingn to sell 250 red yearlings around here. It would be basically impossible. Let me know how that 500 years things works out, since all the feds did to make it look like there was global warming was shut down more stations up north and build more in the south. Heck for all we know it could actually be getting colder.

 

[simtal]

I just got off the phone with my senator and he is going to propose a amendment tied to the health care bill. Cows get out. cows get out and stand in the road.Cows get out and stand in the road at night. Red cows are seen more easily than black cows when standing in the road at night. So.........we are proposing to ban black cows in the USA because of their visability problems. I think we can get through the house anyway. IF WE COULD SAVE ONE LIFE WOULDN'T IT BE WORTH IT! In fact Herford colored cattle will be issued a bonus tax incentive because of their visability at night. If YOU are against this bill you are a homophobic,racist,long haired frat rat that has no concern for other human beings.So there <beer>

it's easier to see darker things in the dark.

Sounds like this makes make just as much sense as the health care bill then huh?

black cow stay warmer due to sun, require less inputs for maintenance, reduced mehane, carbon credits???

If global warming did occur and ave temps went up 5 degrees black cattle would be out and Red cattle would be in. If I can hold on for another 500 years I may be sitting on a gold mine.

 

[LostFarmer]

(pop)  Now where is that drink to go with my popcorn as I get ready to hear the conspiracy theory.  LF

 

[shortyjock89]

Somebody give me a breed of cattle that is as versatile and has the same marketability as the Black Angus then.

Give any breed that many cattle, and see what they can do.

It didn't get to be like that overnight, there is a reason that there is that many. They just didn't fall out of the sky.

Black being a dominant color genetically could do it. Oh ya, I forgot....all registered Angus are PURE.

 

[aj]

What if(because of the color making them hotter) black cattle were less fertile and under went more heat stress in warmer conditions? If flies prefered black cows cause they warmed up quicker would flies do more harm to them than red or white cows. If warming really occured would charolais and white shorthorns become more valuable?

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

For what it's worth I have culled way more black cows than red ones. I think if your cattle are good they will sell. If they are not, good luck. Silver if you are moving that many head per year, good for you but I would say a shot of good red genetics would help you out a bunch. Calves would still be black, unless your a purebred guy I can't see how or why you would ignore it.  I can start naming names of farms or ranches who sell that many head per year of red cattle but you already probably know that. I believe red cattle are absolutley marketable. Now more than ever. Take a look a some of the threads on Cattle Today about Herefords and take a look at some of the pics. I believe those cattle would work anywhere. I will be using some Hereford in the near future for sure. Red cattle, black cattle, I like em all.

 

[shortyjock89]

For what it's worth I have culled way more black cows than red ones. I think if your cattle are good they will sell. If they are not, good luck. Silver if you are moving that many head per year, good for you but I would say a shot of good red genetics would help you out a bunch. Calves would still be black, unless your a purebred guy I can't see how or why you would ignore it.  I can start naming names of farms or ranches who sell that many head per year of red cattle but you already probably know that. I believe red cattle are absolutley marketable. Now more than ever. Take a look a some of the threads on Cattle Today about Herefords and take a look at some of the pics. I believe those cattle would work anywhere. I will be using some Hereford in the near future for sure. Red cattle, black cattle, I like em all.

You should go to Hereford Jr. Nationals this week in Indy. Most varied set of cattle (from Commercial-style, all the way to high powered show cattle) that I've seen...1300 head of them, and some of the nicest folks you could hope to meet.  I think the show is online too, but I'm not sure where. 

 

[garybob]

Back to the original rhetorrical question. Why does a SINGLE,horned, black Limousin THAT'S STILL A BULL(non-LimFlex) outsell those good RedAngus, or blaze-faced FleckviehXRedAngus calves that are sold in 20-head groups?

GB

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Back to the original rhetorrical question. Why does a SINGLE,horned, black Limousin THAT'S STILL A BULL(non-LimFlex) outsell those good RedAngus, or blaze-faced FleckviehXRedAngus calves that are sold in 20-head groups?

GB

Because people in general have been bushwacked and blowdarted into believing black is better.

 

[LostFarmer]

This area will be slow to change that myth.  I picked up some baby calves from a feed lot.  The buyer ended up with some heifers that were bred instead of open.  He put the heifers back on feed and and sold me the 8 calves at a week old.  I have a couple of Holstein nurse cows to feed the calves out on milk cheap.  When they sold the red ones brought 10 cents a pound less than the black ones.  I would guess that all the calves were limmi and angus cross.  As 600 lb calves the red hides were $60 a piece less.  To me that is reason enough to breed black.  That being said I am running Hereford bulls as the clean up.  I would love to breed me a right good show steer that happens to look Hereford just to buck the system.  LF

 

[aj]

So is it fair to say that black cattle don't grade at a higher rate but there is a unfounded trend toward black hided cattle that makes no sense at all?

 

[garybob]

So is it fair to say that black cattle don't grade at a higher rate but there is a unfounded trend toward black hided cattle that makes no sense at all?

Ya think?

Just a thought,

GB

 

[GoWyo]

So is it fair to say that black cattle don't grade at a higher rate but there is a unfounded trend toward black hided cattle that makes no sense at all?

This was the point of your thread wasn't it aj?  Took 7 pages for you to confirm this?  I think you knew the answer all along.  (clapping)

 

[LostFarmer]

So is it fair to say that black cattle don't grade at a higher rate but there is a unfounded trend toward black hided cattle that makes no sense at all?

DING DING DING! We have a winner.  Yes there is a bias to cattle.  It is part of business.  There is also a bias in almost anything else in life.  Is it fair?  Nope, not even close.  Then again who said life was fair.  I have never hear a CAB ad that said that red cattle weren't good.  They simply said that Angus beef was better.  It was marketing and the association aka Montana Mafia did a hell of a job at it.  The Hereford cattle had the market share and did not differentiate the hereford product line.  I would bet that there is not one in 10 on this board that could sort the carcass's from 10 quality steers of different colors once the hide was off.  But I know Joe public can tell you what color a live Angus steer is most of the time. 

Call it Restaurant Quality Red, brand and market your product and see what can happen. 

I talked to the founder of a nicer steakhouse in Utah.  He told me his biggest worry is not that he won't have quality meat.  It is that he will have consistent quality meat.  He wants the same size and quality each and every steak.  If the public comes in and gets the same good steak every time they will be happy.  If they get a great steak once and a good one the next time they will be upset.  He really opened my eyes about the consistency of product and how important that is for him. 

JMHO, LF

 

[Silver]

I have nothing against hereford cattle, in fact we have used some bulls that are all sorts of breeds and colors, but they are simply terminal sires and they must throw black calves. We keep only heifers that are out of our prubred cows and bulls. Now that we have all of our cows under 4 years old and we have just started to use sexed semen. This gives us about 85% black steers, 5% black heifers, 10% problems/reds/smokes. I never said that a black would out grade a red either, but  I sell both on the rail and live so I need a mixture of both. I agree that there is a bias, and its true that all cattle are pretty much the same once you take the hide off, but its all about marketability and appealing to the consumer. The CAB program is based on color because thats what the public can comprehend, they don't care about DNA or blood testing. I'm going to have to stick with what works for now, and for me that happens to be black cattle. I have nothing to complain about my ranch and house are both paid off in 19 years so something must be working.

 

[aj]

So since non black cattle are known as "colored cattle".......my new assc could be called NAACC. National assc. for the Advancement of Colored Cattle! We will riot. We will have memebers of the "Red Panthers" intimidating soccer moms at the safeway stores. We will sue all outlets advertising Black Angus beef and make them prove with dna tests on each cut of meat is actually black angus. We will survive!

 

[kk]

As crazy as that sounds aj I could see it goin down in the near future and succeeding in this obama socialist network

 

[Jill]

So since non black cattle are known as "colored cattle".......my new assc could be called NAACC. National assc. for the Advancement of Colored Cattle! We will riot. We will have memebers of the "Red Panthers" intimidating soccer moms at the safeway stores. We will sue all outlets advertising Black Angus beef and make them prove with dna tests on each cut of meat is actually black angus. We will survive!

You finally got to your real answer!  The soccer moms at the Safeway stores are your consumer, they are the ones buying into the black myth and they are the ones you need to convince that your product is better and until that happens, the customer is always right and marketing wins.

 

[aj]

What we need to do is hire a lobbyist to send to Washington. We need to have a event similar to Woodstock. What I have in mind is breakfast in bed for 500,000 people. We will serve good Red Angus beef steak. Give me a F! Lets get people fired up. Unite oh breeders of red pigmented cattle. Lets get Oprah on board. We need to sneak a red steer in every pen of CAB cattle in the feedlots. We need to paint Charloais with red stripes and feed these cattle out. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harber? Heck no we won't go. I am mad as heck and I'm not taking it anymore. YES WE CAN, YES WE CAN. We have got to ban together. We need a giant bake sale like Rush did. We need to picket what ever state has the most black cattle. We have to get red cattle propaganda in our schools to young children. We need to gain controll of teachers unions and PTA associations. We need to form scholarships to people who plan on raising red cattle. We should leave no rock unturned.Rock on brother!