Breeding red angus to black and reg. Calves

[dogger]

I have a few red angus and black angus cows. I am wondering if I can breed  the red angus cows to a black bull and reg. The calves  that I get in each breed assoc. Of the color they come out.

 

[RyanChandler]

You can register red calves out of black cows in the Red Angus Assoc but you can not register a black calf out of a red cow in the AAA.  You can also record the black calf out of a red cow in the Red Angus Assoc.

 

[Red Cow Relocators]

All red calves resulting from the breeding are registerable as 1A red angus, any black calves out of the mating can be registered as catagory 3 red angus. None are registerable in the black association unless you are in Canada where they run both breeds out of one herd book. RCR

 

[aj]

So if you breed the afore mentioned cat. 3 black registered Red Angus to a reg. Red Angus and get a red calf.....can that calf be registered as a catagory 1?

 

[wiredangus]

If you put a Registered Black angus bull on a red angus cow and the resulting calf is black it is registered as 100% angus and put in category 2 because it has a category 1 disqualifier being black hided. The calf will however be a red gene carrier and any resulting offspring that comes out red will go right back into category 1. I believe category 3 cattle are reserved for x-bred like Simmental X Red angus, Hereford X red angus etc...and they can never be "bred up" to the category 1 because they will never be back to 100% angus.

 

[Red Cow Relocators]

If you put a Registered Black angus bull on a red angus cow and the resulting calf is black it is registered as 100% angus and put in category 2 because it has a category 1 disqualifier being black hided. The calf will however be a red gene carrier and any resulting offspring that comes out red will go right back into category 1. I believe category 3 cattle are reserved for x-bred like Simmental X Red angus, Hereford X red angus etc...and they can never be "bred up" to the category 1 because they will never be back to 100% angus.

Catagory 1B is designated for the % cattle. Catagory3 is for animals with non characteristic traits - ie black hide. Catagory 2 is for animals that have white in front of the navel. Catagory 2 and 3 cattle can produce 1A progeny, 1B's can not. RCR

 

[dogger]

Just to be sure.... If I breed my reg  black angus cow to a red angus bull, one half the calves will be red ?  And the red calves are elgible to be 1a reg  red angus  that can show at any red angus events ?      The black bided calves from this mating are elgible to be reg in the red angus assoc as 1b or 1c category ?  Thank you for the help.

 

[Red Cow Relocators]

Just to be sure.... If I breed my reg  black angus cow to a red angus bull, one half the calves will be red ?  And the red calves are elgible to be 1a reg  red angus  that can show at any red angus events ?      The black bided calves from this mating are elgible to be reg in the red angus assoc as 1b or 1c category ?  Thank you for the help.

If your black cows are carrying the recessive red gene, approximately 1/2 of those calves will be black and 1/2 red when bred to a Red Angus bull. The black cows that do not carry the recessive red gene will all have black calves. Those black calves will all carry the recessive red gene and be eligible to be registered as catagory 3 red angus. Any red calves born out of your black cows and a Red Angus bull will be eligible to be registered as 1A Red Angus and be eligible to show in any Red Angus show. RCR

 

[wiredangus]

If you put a Registered Black angus bull on a red angus cow and the resulting calf is black it is registered as 100% angus and put in category 2 because it has a category 1 disqualifier being black hided. The calf will however be a red gene carrier and any resulting offspring that comes out red will go right back into category 1. I believe category 3 cattle are reserved for x-bred like Simmental X Red angus, Hereford X red angus etc...and they can never be "bred up" to the category 1 because they will never be back to 100% angus.

Catagory 1B is designated for the % cattle. Catagory3 is for animals with non characteristic traits - ie black hide. Catagory 2 is for animals that have white in front of the navel. Catagory 2 and 3 cattle can produce 1A progeny, 1B's can not. RCR

That is probabaly right. I forgot about the "A" and "B" thing. I did breed some red heifers a few years ago to a Black bull, Mytty in focus, and the heifers I kept they have listed as category 2. I had some red calves out of those heifers now that are back to category 1A.

 

[DL]

I have a few red angus and black angus cows. I am wondering if I can breed  the red angus cows to a black bull and reg. The calves  that I get in each breed assoc. Of the color they come out.

RAAA registration categories
Category 1A 100% Red Angus blood, no disqualifying features

Category 1B - From 87% to less than 100% Red Angus blood with no disqualifying features

Category II - Equal to or greater than 87% up to and including 100% Angus blood having one of more disqualifying characteristics

Category III - Less than 87% Angus blood

Category 1A and B must be solid red, polled and have no disqualifying features (scurs, horns, white in front of naval, legs etc, black pigment can be around eyes or nose only etc)

There are more specifics but these are the basics

If you Red cows are registered it is easy - contact the association for specifics or the RAAA web site

 

[aj]

I'm surprised no one has blended OCC Anchor into a Red Angus package.

 

[wiredangus]

I'm surprised no one has blended OCC Anchor into a Red Angus package.

Is he a red gene carrier?

 

[aj]

No.....I just think he has interesting type.

 

[cowman 52]

Genex had a red bull viceroy, used 3 years ago,  Pedigree is black,  036 and 095,  Have a awful good set of heifers out of him despite the fires and drought,  moderate framed, good millers and very nice on the disposition. 
Just have a few red cows, used him on every pedigree we had, and worked well on all of them.
have 1 bull, taking him to Ft Worth,

 

[dogger]

What about a reg black angus cow to a red angus bull. Does the American black angus assoc. Reg. These cattle and allow them to show.

 

[Red Cow Relocators]

What about a reg black angus cow to a red angus bull. Does the American black angus assoc. Reg. These cattle and allow them to show.

The black association does not recognize any Red Angus genetics in their herd book. Short answer - NO. RCR

 

[cowman 52]

Nope

 

[cowman 52]

Nope

 

[aj]

It took em years to breed the red out them didn't. Red color is looked at as a genetic defect. Cattle that had red gene put on a list.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I'm surprised no one has blended OCC Anchor into a Red Angus package.

5L red angus has used a bunch if OCC bulls. Emblazon shows up a lot.