knabe
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mark tenenbaum said:Enticer is by far the most influential-far reaching Shorthorn bull in the US history of the breed
by what criteria
mark tenenbaum said:Enticer is by far the most influential-far reaching Shorthorn bull in the US history of the breed
mark tenenbaum said:That or a bad picture O0
knabe said:mark tenenbaum said:That or a bad picture O0
for a posed a clipped bull, i seem to remember a bad picture epd.
maybe the ASA can donate 20 units of semen to the illinois shorthorn sire trial?/// Speaking of which-heres a list of the bulls used https://shorthorn.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Sire-Test-Update-Matt-April-2018.pdf Not looking at extended pedigrees-a kneejerk count-has six of the fourteen sires going back to him-If i took the time-there would probably be more O0
mark tenenbaum said:Heres a long yearling on grass-NO : her left rear leg didnt start like that-theres a metal rod in it-She still managed to come back from an extremely bad calfhood. She was injured through most of it. Although I dont think her head had alot to do with how she developed along in spite of it all that O0
cowboy_nyk said:Back to the topic of heads, here's a good example of a day old calf that has the right kind of head in my opinion. Muzzle is almost as wide as his forehead. Maybe a bit more set to his eyes (more hooded so you can't see them from head on) would be ideal. His mother isn't ideal in that way and accordingly she has had pinkeye in the past. Pretty direct correlation around here. If I can see their eyeballs from the front, they will get pinkeye in their lifetime.
mark tenenbaum said:Heres a long yearling on grass-NO : her left rear leg didnt start like that-theres a metal rod in it-She still managed to come back from an extremely bad calfhood. She was injured through most of it. Although I dont think her head had alot to do with how she developed along in spite of it all that O0
justintime said:I did not ever use Enticer, as I did not like the way his offspring sloped off from hooks to pins. I was told by very good authority ( by a man who was involved in raising Enticer) that his dam was the Reserve National Champion Maine female in the US a few years before. This was a trait pretty common in Maine cattle in that era, so I am tending to agree with what he told me. Unfortunately, this type of thing happened in many breeds in that day, as it was before DNA testing. The only tool available to verify purity was blood typing, and it was far from being totally accurate. I remember talking with the head of the blood typing lab at Ohio State, ar the Graham Land and Cattle dispersal in Minnesota, and he confirming that most breeds were infusing cattle from other breeds. He said that some Milking Shorthorn blood types could slip through the blood tuping tests in Angus and that they had found 7 full blood Maine bulls that blood typed as purebred Shorthorns. I also remember getting a phone call from a well known Angus breeder in that era, asking me if I knew where I could find semen from McKee's Matchless Dairyman, a red Milking Shorthorn bull. This guy told me that this bull sired solid black calves when used on Angus cows and they also blood typed as purebred Angus. This wasn't just a Shorthorn thing. I believe the advancements in the past few years, with DNA testing, have cleaned up a lot of crap that was happening.
Interesting. I suppose that is not much different than using the tape measure for birth weights. Head type and size usually follows pretty consistently with body type. Long narrow head -> tall narrow animal, tiny head -> tiny calf, short stout head-> short stout calf.aj said:A hair off topic but....Cross Diamond Cattle Co. of Nebraska measures baby calves heads in order to help judge calving ease. Readings had varied from 51.5-42 cm.