Bye Bye farm Subsidies, OH wait just mine

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P-F

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I wish they would stop dividing us, [size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]Just do away with [size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]ALL[/size][/size] farm subsidies and we can get back to a true free market!
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02/26 07:52 CST No 'direct payment' subsidy to big US farms-source
2-26-2009 08:52 No 'direct payment' subsidy to big US farms-source

    WASHINGTON, Feb 26 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama would
phase out so-called direct payment subsidies to U.S. farmers
with sales over $500,000 a year, a senior administration
official said.
    The proposal would be part of the administration's fiscal
2010 budget proposal, to be released on Thursday. It would save
$9.8 billion over 10 years, cutting outlays by one-fifth.
    There are roughly 126,000 farms with sales above $500,000 a
year, or 5.7 percent of the 2.2 million U.S. farms, according
to the Agriculture Department. They are the largest operations,
with an average size above 2,300 acres (931 hectares).
    "Roughly a third of farmers receive direct payments, which
they receive regardless of whether they are producing anything
or not," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
while explaining elements of the budget ahead of its release.
    The official said the budget also would eliminate cotton
storage payments, for savings of $570 million over 10 years.
    In a speech to Congress on Tuesday, Obama said the budget
would "end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't
need them."
    Direct payments were created in 2002 and total $5.2 billion
a year. Because they are "decoupled" from production, they are
the safest among U.S. farm supports from trade challenges.
(Reporting by Charles Abbott; editing by Jim Marshall)
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Keywords: OBAMA BUDGET/FARM
 

greenbean

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I wanna say that 500,000 in sales a year is a typo or a misunderstanding.  From what I have heard it will go off your income taxes and if you show over 500,000 in profit then you will not be able to get subsidies. 
 

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P-F said:
   
In a speech to Congress on Tuesday, Obama said the budget
would "end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't
need them."

gotta be careful with language like that. language like that will be in the health care bill and the government will determine who needs what.
 

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Currently we are working on a Farm Bill that is in place through the 2012 crop year (september 30, 2012).  The way the regulations are currently, is if you have over $500K in adjusted gross non-farm income or $750K of adjusted gross farm income than you do not qualify.  Adjusted gross is loosely defined as gross income minus most farm expenses.  Not quite net, but close. 

Just some facts
 

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Thanks for the info, the 500000 sales seemed like it would catch alot more people than the article said
 

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P-F said:
I wish they would stop dividing us, [size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]Just do away with [size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]ALL[/size][/size] farm subsidies and we can get back to a true free market!
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DIVIDE AND CONQUER

02/26 07:52 CST No 'direct payment' subsidy to big US farms-source
2-26-2009 08:52 No 'direct payment' subsidy to big US farms-source

    WASHINGTON, Feb 26 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama would
phase out so-called direct payment subsidies to U.S. farmers
with sales over $500,000 a year, a senior administration
official said.
    The proposal would be part of the administration's fiscal
2010 budget proposal, to be released on Thursday. It would save
$9.8 billion over 10 years, cutting outlays by one-fifth.
    There are roughly 126,000 farms with sales above $500,000 a
year, or 5.7 percent of the 2.2 million U.S. farms, according
to the Agriculture Department. They are the largest operations,
with an average size above 2,300 acres (931 hectares).
    "Roughly a third of farmers receive direct payments, which
they receive regardless of whether they are producing anything
or not," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
while explaining elements of the budget ahead of its release.
    The official said the budget also would eliminate cotton
storage payments, for savings of $570 million over 10 years.
    In a speech to Congress on Tuesday, Obama said the budget
would "end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't
need them."
    Direct payments were created in 2002 and total $5.2 billion
a year. Because they are "decoupled" from production, they are
the safest among U.S. farm supports from trade challenges.
(Reporting by Charles Abbott; editing by Jim Marshall)
(([email protected] +1 202 898 8319))
((For help:  Click "Contact Us" in your desk top, click here
HELP] or call 1-800-738-8377 for Reuters Products and
1-888-463-3383 for Thomson products; For client training:
[email protected] +1 646-223-5546))
Keywords: OBAMA BUDGET/FARM

Subsidies are an important part to the small agriculturist(grain farmer, cattleman, etc.) Do away with susidies and you are helping to destroy small scale agriculture. A TRUE free market economy woulld only fix problems temporarily, but cripple agriculture in the long run. JMO
 

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Obama has spouted off a lot of rhetoric about the farm subsidies but there are 2 things to remember.  He voted for the current Farm Bill the way it is now and it is good through 2012 so any major changes would take congressional acts.
 

ShowmanQ

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knabe said:
Subsidies are an important part to the small agriculturist(grain farmer, cattleman, etc.) Do away with susidies and you are helping to destroy small scale agriculture. A TRUE free market economy woulld only fix problems temporarily, but cripple agriculture in the long run. JMO

true.

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/farm-subsidies-go-to-farmers-of-new-york-city/56335/


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WOW, I made a post that got the KNABE GOLD STAMP APPROVAL (clapping) (clapping) (lol)
On a serious note, I whole heartedly believe what I stated before, and actually got into an argument with an oh so liberal professor of mine just the other day, in a Chem lab of all places (lol)
 

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http://www.openthebooks.com/assets/1/7/Federal_Transfer_Report-_Farm_Subsidies_The_Big_Dogs_2013.pdf

while no government program is perfect, a few simple rules, might be in order.  one must live within one county of land receiving a payment.  otherwise one is not that small of a farmer and not one the program is really trying to help, ie one that will spend their money locally and keep small communities intact.

it's a complete waste of money to have people keep track of this and make sure there is no fraud, which when there is, is difficult to process, which is why i disagree with this program entirely at the federal level.

i guess people would just change their address to be local to get around it, which again is why i'm against these types of federal programs.
 

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5 million acres and 8.5 million in subsidies.

The recipient is an entity of Montana state government- the Department of Natural Resources. The “subsidy” is in reality just a government transfer payment to another government entity.

what a joke.

i'm sure these people could use more of a subsidy.

http://www.plumcreek.com

why there is a program set up to help these people is ridiculous.  instead, the government has us trained to be "outraged" over the manufactured injustice of making cakes.
 

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knabe said:
http://dnrc.mt.gov/Trust/AboutUs/Acreage.asp

5 million acres and 8.5 million in subsidies.

The recipient is an entity of Montana state government- the Department of Natural Resources. The “subsidy” is in reality just a government transfer payment to another government entity.

what a joke.

i'm sure these people could use more of a subsidy.

http://www.plumcreek.com

why there is a program set up to help these people is ridiculous.  instead, the government has us trained to be "outraged" over the manufactured injustice of making cakes.
A lot of people have went to jail over this sort of thing, but it was called " kiting money" when a person does it.
 
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