calf question???

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sizzler14

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About 4 weeks ago I had a cow gettting ready to calve, and she started limping acting like the calf was laying funny in her. she had the calf 2 days later born unassisted and weighed around 70 pounds. 4 weeks later, the calf is thick as all be and a nice steer, but when you look at him on the profile, he really really really buckles over on his knees. I have never seen anything like it. the cow is extra sound etc, I was wondering if maybe there was a type a shot I could give him like a vitamin or something to help him and maybe help him grow out of it..... thanks for any advice
 

BTDT

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There is another thread concerning a calf with buck legs in the front but to sum it up: The calf either has structural issues or it developed "wrong" in the uterus, meaning the head was in between the front legs when they developed therefore causing them to be bucked. Excerise and time will usually "cure" the issue. If it is a structural problem it will continue to get worse as the calf grows. If it is due to developing funny, then it will continue to get better, with good days and bad days, until the issue is completely gone, usually about 2-4 weeks.

I wish you luck.

 

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BTDT -- I am curious as to why you always eel it is STRUCTURE rather than a simple case of illness. This is the second thread you have leaned toward structure instead of the obviously possibilty it may be a navel infection causing the bucked knees. Structure will ALWAYS be evident at birth, navel ill and it;s affects are not there at birth, but will show up several days to weeks later. Trust me I know the difference, so am just curious as to why you are so set on always leaning towards structure! Thanks for answering.

Terry
 

BTDT

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There is a difference between structural issues and developing wrong. Structural issues are genetic, such as being too straight in the rear legs, or being pigdeon toed.  Developmental problems are usually seen in large calves when they develop funny in the uterus, rather than having a genetic issue.  An example would be when the head gets in between the front legs and the legs, tendons develop "funny", but will straigten out with time. 
I have suggested each of these calves had development issues due to the fact they both are of club calf genetics, therefore probably large boned and full of muscle, and the fact that neither mentioned swollen joints in any of the leg joints.  No, that is not ALWAYS present, but swollen, hot joints are usually present in joint infection.  In addition, all legs would be affected with joint infection, where as developmental issues are usually in the front legs.
Neither case mentioned an elevated temperature, nor did anyone suggest they take a temperature.  Navel ill will ALWAYS produce an elevated temp.

I would also lean toward both of these situations to be "good management", and so cleanliness is probably present, as well as treating the navel at birth. Granted, this might be an assumption.  If the calf is in an unclean environment, then giving a shot of pen would also create another opening for bacteria to enter the calf, which would not be ideal, although neccessary in some situations.

I do not always look toward the quick fix of antibiotics. They are an important part of cattle production but should not be over used, especially in cases where they are not needed.

So I guess you will just have to trust me. I have plenty of experience also, not only in cow calf production but in diagnostic evaluation. 

For everyone reading: Please be advised that diagnosising illness in livestock is difficult when you actually see the animal and have every single variable, it is a stab in the dark when you are diagnosising without seeing things first hand.  Use the internet to get ideas to consider and discuss with a veterinarian or someone else you have a relationship with.  We all have good intentions in helping those seeking advice, and I am positive no one gives advice with malicious intent. This is just a friendly reminder.



 

 

ejoe326

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I disagree. Naval infection does not always equal an elevated temp and you cannot always see the signs all joints are inflamed.  Matter of fact I can only remember a handful in 30 some years that showed the signs in anything but the front legs.  It might have been present but there have not been many obviously swollen, stiff joints on all 4 legs. I must have missed this was club calf genetics.

Out of curiosity what is diagnostic evaluation? 

Cowboy hit the nail on the head when you see navel infection vs. structure.  I have yet to see a calf born with a navel infection. 












 
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