Calving ease Char bull

[OH Showman]

Looking for a bull to breed a composite heifer to. Does anyone know of any Char bulls (Registered Composite or Purebreds) that could be considered calving ease? Also needs to be TH Free if a composite.

 

[sue]

I purchased LT Blue Value 2 years after touring the Wright Charolais bull sale offering a week prior to the sale. I loved the sire group and the daughters were making the bulls that topped the  sale too. Nice udders and feet, this bull is older and proven. I bred two but no calves this year.

Everyone is using LT Ledger- as I am sure the Charolais breeders on this board will give a thumbs up too. Wild Indian Acres have a grogeous daughter by this guy! I love the balance and structure of nearly all that I have seen. 

Yellowstone ( Troubadour x Hoodoo) although not endorsed or advertised as a heifer bull - myself and the friends that tried him say short gestation and small at birth. This composite is th and pha free.

Im Your Huckleberry- purebred, outcross and I hope to try him on a summer born heifer, two cows bred to him now.  Again a young bull but his sire was used on heifers. High seller in Denver. The breeder Russell Clark was very helpful as are all of the Charolais breeders that I have met so far!
Good luck and hopefully more will comment on this thread.

 

[Gargan]

I bought a few straws of I'm your huckleberry from one of the owners. He too, said he should prove himself to be calving ease. I will inquire more about his bw's this coming spring.

 

[RyanChandler]

Here's a good looking bull--

 

[shortybreeder]

I had 3 calves out of this bull born unassisted out of 2 2nd calvers and 1 older cow. I wouldn't be afraid to use him in heifers. https://www.bovine-elite.com/charepd2.asp?idProduct=4216&id2nd=35

 

[Bradenh]

This is going to be way out there from what youre expecting but this year I'll be using Cedardale zeal on the show heifers and ones I really care a lot about. Saw the division winner out of him at agribition from his rookie calf crop and that was all I needed to see

 

[sue]

This is going to be way out there from what youre expecting but this year I'll be using Cedardale zeal on the show heifers and ones I really care a lot about. Saw the division winner out of him at agribition from his rookie calf crop and that was all I needed to see

I cant find a photo of Cedardale Zeal.

 

[Bradenh]

http://www.semex.com/di/beef/i?lang=fr&beef=view&view2=MC345134

Mature pic, yearling pic and yearling video

 

[Freddy]

I'M NOT VERY HAPPY right now ..printed a detailed summary of things to look for in heifer bulls and must have took to long ,was logged out..!!  So not going to spend that much TIME, might be lot more blunt with what I have observed over the year's ..Been connected with Charolais almost 60 years' and in that time the breeder's are finally showing some interest in birth weight and calving ease ,not just growth ..SHOW BULLS and FRENCH bulls have caused the most damage for calving ease bulls in our breed.. When younger always tried new bulls and 98% of the time disappointed ,especially with 2 groups mentioned.. Forgot 1, CANADIAN'S wanted big birth to have big growth, noticed a big improvement here lately...  For improving calving ease look for bulls with minus numbers in BW , NOT SURE CE does any good...  KNOW YOUR PEDIGREE'S and history of those bulls in a pedigree, they will help steer you in right direction and stay away from first and second year bulls with no proof ..!!

Bulls mentioned above , YELLOWSTONE --not enough proof..!! I'M A HUCKLEBERRY -NOT ENOUGH PROOF..!!  LT LEDGER 0332-
USED him last 4 years on some heifers and cow's through AI ,GOT TO pick EPD'S and watch PEDIGREE AND PRODUCTION , got along fine .. but heard of some larger BW in other cow herd's ..   
WR WRANGLER haven't USED, BUT HAS LOT'S OF PROOF HE WORK'S ..!!

CEDAR ZEAL  --COMES from CANADA AND NOT ENOUGH PROOF FOR ME ...


WE have commercial customers using sons of our proven herd sires on mostly black comm. females for 4 year's and no more problem's with heifers than when using black bulls ...ADDS dollars to their pay check in the fall..!!

 

[Bradenh]

Zeal heifer out of a first calf female that made me become interested in the bull. Everyone in Canada that's actually used him and had experience with him says he's the most heifer safe one there is out there

 

[Charo]

We use Wr Wrangler W601 and MVY Xplorer 21X on heifers with good results.

 

[Mark H]

Charo,

Which group of claves had better performance and confirmation? The Wranglers or the Xplorer calves?  I am asking because the Xporler calves seem to give up plenty on birth weight with a -9.1 BT EPD.  I know Xplorer is a complete outcross to the Bluegrass decended bulls from LT mentioned here but how does he compare on the growth side?
Have you seen any calves out of Pleaasant Dawn MVP yet?  Also Allen Marshall is has a good bull out of Quebec called Dubac Zenith.  Ever use him?

 

[Charo]

We are the breeders of Dubuc Zénith 202Z. We flushed a full sister of him with MVY Xplorer and expecting calves this spring. The Zenith mother gaved us 2 daughters with Shelco Made Easy. The first we flushed her with Wr Wrangler and have 2 good calves from that flush. I thing the calves from Wr Wrangler grow a bit faster then the Xplorers but the conformation of the Xplorers seem a bit better. We like both from a calving ease perpective and they have a lot of vigor.

 

[afhm]

SSR Mr. Driven is a long time proven favorite in the South, mainly with club claf breeders.  There's not a fancy pic of him so what you see is what you get.

 

[Charguy]

Zeal has some bigger Birthweight bulls in his pedigree (Survivor) but everyone who has used them have said he calves without issue on heifers and the calves are quite good. Xplorer calves are not big but they can be a bit blocky. Friend did have to pull several out of his heifers. Others say no issues. The Ledger son in Canada alot of people are using is Legend. -6 bw, 99.8 CE, with plenty of growth, hair, milk and performance. Sons topped every sale they were apart of. Probably highest selling sire group of bulls this spring up here.

 

[Mark H]

Charguy,

I think that circle cee legend is owned by Horseshoe E. . So he was used on some good females.  Do you see any clves not at Circle Cee or Horeshoe E?  I just want to know the beeding of the females he was used on.  A very nice ledger sn with -6.0 bwt EPD.
I case someone wants to look at the bulls mentioned here in this thread go to: http://charolaisbanner.com/newcbsite/

 

[Charguy]

Yup he is owned solely by Horseshoe E in Sask. Cederlea Farms also of Sask had quite a few Legend sons in their sale. Sparrow bred all their heifers this year. Springside had a high seller who was a Legend. Circle Cee does not have a bull sale but I know their high seller privately was a Legend. If Im not mistaken the sons in all sales averaged just under 13k.

 

[MJB]

Isn't I'm your Huckleberry a horned bull with a mid 90's birthweight?  Wouldn't consider mid 90's calving ease.  Horns don't affect calving ease but don't know many people that prefer them.

 

[Mark H]

HUckelberry  had an actual 89 LB birth weight.  The big problem for him is that we have no calves out of him yet to see if he is actually a calving ease bull or not.  Given a birth weight EPD  PE of -0.3 most of the bulls discussed are more proven and have far lower actual birthweights,  better EPDs and in the case of Xplorer, a better show record.

 

[Bradenh]

If you're on the kick of actual birthweights- the information i can find on xplorer says he was a 96 actual BW

I dont claim to know anything about the bull- interested in learning actually-