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mark tenenbaum

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What the THICKEST Butted calving ease (hiefer) bull available to us Southern folks?-I really like JITs roan-champ-but he goes back to Salute-who sired some great cattle-but risky buz on hiefes.These are stout- more moderate sized hiefers.
 

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Thinking on this but two quick questions, about how big will these heifers be at calving time in moderate condition? Are they from thick butted bloodlines.
 

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Okotoks said:
Thinking on this but two quick questions, about how big will these heifers be at calving time in moderate condition? Are they from thick butted bloodlines./// Yes they sre from thick butted bloodlines-they will probably wiegh well over 1000 pounds-but are not very tall.They are kinda clubby-Jr Walker-Free For All-Rs After Hours kinda hiefers.
 

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Thick butted  calving ease heifer bulls from Canada that are available in the US. Our Salute bull, Timeline, is thick butted but I would not consider him a heifer bull. Some of Timeline's owners have used him on heifers, but I am not going to recommend him to anyone as a heifer bull. Our Touchdown bull is a much better choice for heifers. He had an 82 lb BW himself, and so far his heaviest calf was 85 lbs and he is out of a Salute 3 year old cow. Touchdown was the 2009 Canadian National Champion bull and I am super pleased with his first calves. Touchdown has NOT GOT SALUTE in his pedigree. He is sired by K-Kim Last Call 159N ET . They are super thick and very easy fleshing. Our Touchdown calves are the fleshiest calves of all our sire groups at weaning this fall. At the present time, we do not have Touchdown semen in the US but we are in the process of getting his tests done so he can enter the stud and be collected for several countries in the next few months. BTW, Major Leroy will be accompaning him to stud.( Leroy is not a bull I would recommend for heifers either, but many people have used him on heifers. I just think there are much better choices)

A bull I would strongly recommend that fits this bill is Uluru Buster, that is owned by Mechanic, uluru and B Good. He is moderate framed, thich butted and a calving ease sire. Check out the first calves mechanic has pictured in another thread on this site. He is a very good choice. They don't come much thicker made than this bull... and he has an element of softness to his make-up that ensures he will be easy fleshing. Hopefully Mechanic can post a picture of his Buster bull. I don't think I have one on my computer.

Other choices include bulls like Muridale  Buster and Buster 2nd, owned by coyote. If you can still find Buster semen in the US, I would be buying all I could find. I think it will become more and more valuable as it becomes more scarce.

One of my all time favorite heifer bulls, is a bull named Shadybrook Optimum 75F. He was owned by Semex, and was never promoted much in the US and Canada. Semex purchased him mainly as a red polled bull to sell into commercial and dairy markets as well as in South American markets. Optimum was bred here at our farm, and sold in dam to Shadybrook. By the way, his dam is still in the Shadybrook herd and is the oldest cow there at 17 years of age. She has been a prolific donor and has never missed having a very good calf. I have used Optimum for many years on heifers and all calves have been unassisted and all have been polled. As a bonus, his calves have all been good enough to sell as breeding stock as every male calf we have had has been sold as a breeding bull, and every heifer has become a breeding female. We sold an Optimum bull to Millvale Shorthorns, Fordville, ND, and Bob Miller says he is the first bull he has used on heifers that he has not had to assist any calves from.

Our Hillside Leader bull is also very easy calving and the Bales family in Tennessee are extremely high on his calves. His calves have all been unassisted from heifers with only one calf so far over 80 lbs and that being from a heifer with some BW in her background. Our first calves from him arrive next spring. BTW, a note to all our Aussie SP gang, we have semen from Hillside Leader stored in Australia, and we are presently looking for someone to market and manage it for us down there. If you know of anyone who may be interested please contact me. I think we can offer some commissions that will make it worthwhile selling this for us.

I know Okotoks has a few bulls that would fit this bill as well, but I will leave him to present them. He is far more experienced with these bloodlines but I am certain he has a few bulls that will work here extremely well.

These are some of the bulls I can think of off the top of my head.

I have attached a few pics of some of these bulls. The picture of Touchdown was taken in September on pasture after he had bred 62  females. We pregnancy tested this group two weeks ago and every female was in calf and it appears that every female must have settled on the first service as the vet said they will calve in a very tight group next spring. I have also attached a picture of a flushmate sister to Touchdown that we are flushing this winter. I have also attached pictures of  Muridale Buster,Shadybrook Optimum 75F and Hillside Leader
 

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Opps forgot the pics
 

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I miscued Touchdown-who is very cool-with the the Salute son-who has a great pattern-aapreciate the pics. I met Uluru Buster visiting with Tim Loudoun-whos also a heck of a good guy,and he was a very nice deep bull,Optimum has a kinda Enticer-inprover 57th look about him-probably not a great pic-but he probably would really nick with something-Clubby-Sonny-which is how 1 or two are bred-need to look him up-thanx again-obviously-the Busters have proven themselves-I just havent seen any out of the red son-dont know how hed do on a stout non choak necked female O0
 

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I think an interesting bull to try would be Saskvalley Ultra 12J.
He is the sire of Saskvalley Bonanza 219M, Saskvalley Primo 40P and Saskvalley Roughneck 154R.
His BW EPD is minus 5.1 and calving ease is +12.8 and he is siring some herd bulls and his daughters are deep and moderate with nice udders.
He may not increase the muscling but should give depth, marbling hair and style with the calving ease.

A couple other options are Northern Legend 3N and his son Diamond Regal Legend 4R at Kohlstaedt's in Missouri.Andy Withers at Belmore Shorthorns in Australia was pleased with 3N's calving ease and used him on heifers this year. I did not consider him a heifer bull but his BW EPD is only 0.8 in the ASA epd's.  We used Regal as our heifer bull for 2 years. His BW EPD is -0.3.  We have never crossed either of these bulls with any of the US lines so not sure how that combo would work.
There is a photo of Saskvalley Roughneck 154R on the inside back cover of Gar-Lind's reduction sale catalogue on this link.
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Okotoks said:
I think an interesting bull to try would be Saskvalley Ultra 12J.
He is the sire of Saskvalley Bonanza 219M, Saskvalley Primo 40P and Saskvalley Roughneck 154R.
His BW EPD is minus 5.1 and calving ease is +12.8 and he is siring some herd bulls and his daughters are deep and moderate with nice udders.
He may not increase the muscling but should give depth, marbling hair and style with the calving ease.

A couple other options are Northern Legend 3N and his son Diamond Regal Legend 4R at Kohlstaedt's in Missouri.Andy Withers at Belmore Shorthorns in Australia was pleased with 3N's calving ease and used him on heifers this year. I did not consider him a heifer bull but his BW EPD is only 0.8 in the ASA epd's.  We used Regal as our heifer bull for 2 years. His BW EPD is -0.3.  We have never crossed either of these bulls with any of the US lines so not sure how that combo would work.
There is a photo of Saskvalley Roughneck 154R on the inside back cover of Gar-Lind's reduction sale catalogue on this link.
        http://www.clippityclop.ca/garlind/fc.html
     
///Those are all some pretty well known dudes-Ultra to me-looks like he packs alot of muscle in the pasture pic-surely hes produced some thick females when you look at all the good bulls hes produced. I really appreciate the help and pics-FOR YEARS-those Candian cows produced great calves out of US bulls that were just absolute Sh%$#^&t- I laughed on an earlier post when JIT was questioned about using different genetics. I really wish I could walk through a couple herds up there-because those cattle really adapt genetically to just about anything you put on them-Hats Off O0
 

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Here is a picture of Uluru Buster 6T
 

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All of the above bulls should work well in any program, another option would be Diamond Prophecy 21P.  He is going to be collected this winter for North American use.
 

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Yes with mechanic & I
We then brought him back to Canada and showed him at the Royal and Agribition
He then went back to Tim's to run with his cows this past summer
He may come back to Canada for next summer
 
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