There are 2 sides to the coin JMO-1st: getting anybody to use a Shorthorn at all and then do it again is a good thing-VERY little of that is happening in the US Much less very many AVAILABLE THAT ARE: under-$50-per straw non-Syndicated next big thing-Members only,fake as hell EPDS etc) Guage is available and marketed as calving ease-HE IS NOT. I think the Canadian cattle hold alot of hope for real world calves here: (just about all of them-with a number of hiefer bulls) along with the Captain obvious clan and JTMS bullls, and bulls like :Hot Commodity-even tho some people dont want to pay $50 to try a Shorthorn.Also : Sull Payday,BSF Master Prince, the 3 other Jakes Shorthorns and one low percent simm, on SEK, The Elbee bulls-like Throw back,and the Creole deal from Kaehlers:and Arsulu Osage and Massive etc.And although maybe not all hiefer bulls- ANY Waukaru bull available, ESPECIALLY PATENT. The $100 a straw JSF Broker-is a JOKE-and I find it embarrassing to see stupidity like that: guess a few of his fat ass owners need more barbecue,and chocalate sundaes ,thats probably what he eats LOL O0 2 : I would agree there were some good JPJ sons-I think the clubby ones certainely had a wider audience-But I liked the big growthy one from Jungels (mita gone back to the DJS Rodeo cow)that went to Canada and used to be on an avatar here-(cant remember his name now) What in your opinion BTW-IS THE BEST JPJ SON? O0