Cates Star Search Sale results??

[Blue Intentions]

I no its a little early but does anyone have any results from the sale today??

 

[Jacob B]

Just got home, what you lookin 4?? 

 

[Blue Intentions]

12A 12B 21A 21B 30A

 

[Doc]

I would appreciate all of it. If not 21a,b,c,d ,32,2,& 34. Thanks in advance!!!!

 

[Jacob B]

Lot 2 I wasn't paying attention, sorry.  Talk too much sometimes/most of the time.  Don't quote me on them but I think these are close.
12 a - 16,000
12 b - 8,000
21 a - 17,000
21 b - 23,000
c - 1000 per
d - 800 per
e - 1,200 per
f - 1,150 per
30 - 2,500 calf at 6,300
32 - 4,100 calf at 3,000
High selling cow I think
34 - 25,000
34 a - 28,000
High sellers were 29a bull-$62K, 25 50k, 8a bull 23K, 1a 21K, 36b 20K(my favorite calf in terms of phenotype, and not a bad pedigree)  Didn't see the breds.
The roast beef sandwichs were AWSOME, will have to find out where they got the roast beef!
Good group, wish all mine had that kind of hair!  Looked like they were worked real hard as usual.  Congrads to all the Cates family and crew on another good sale.

 

[Blue Intentions]

What about 3a 4 5a 10a 24A 26 28 31a

 

[Blue Intentions]

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[Jacob B]

sorry blue, I had went to sleep.
3a-8500
4- 31000??? bought by (owned with) b.c.????
5a-3000
10a-4100
24a-7500
26-5250
28-7200
31a-6500

 

[Blue Intentions]

Thanks for the help!!

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

62,000 for another trump on a trump. MY GOD. Each year I say it can't happen again, yet it does. Who bought him this year? Ah hell who cares, I aint using him.

62,000.  (argue) And people say there is no groundhog day in the shorthorn world.

Good for them I guess. I'm just jealous. I could use 62,000

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome is the definition of insanity. I hope the judges keep picking that type for their winners. That will help.

Let my beating begin..........................................

 

[justintime]

62,000 for another trump on a trump. MY GOD. Each year I say it can't happen again, yet it does. Who bought him this year? Ah hell who cares, I aint using him.

62,000.  (argue) And people say there is no groundhog day in the shorthorn world.

Good for them I guess. I'm just jealous. I could use 62,000

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome is the definition of insanity. I hope the judges keep picking that type for their winners. That will help.

Let my beating begin..........................................

Maybe I am not seeing things straight, but when I look at the prices of everything I need to run this place, I am thinking there needs to be more prices like this. My neighbor just purchased a new Chev truck... for $68,000. Yes, it has a bunch of toys on it, but the fact still remains that he will pay far more than $68000 by the time it is paid for. Machinery prices are beyond stupid. In 1974, I purchased a new 3/4 ton 4X4 and a new 20 ft gooseneck trailer. I remember very well, driving home and the thought hit me, that I had $7800 tied up in the truck and trailer. That same year we had a production sale and averaged over $1800 on 56 lots.What would I have to average now to have the same dollars to work with as I did then" There are breeders today who think $1800 is a pretty good price for an animal. I am just saying that we as producers, should be trying to improve our prices, just so we can survive. Is it any wonder, that there is very few left in the industry who can keep cows without a full time job on the side?

My main business is the cattle business, so I consider my herd bulls the same way a grain farmer looks at his machinery or his input costs. Lots of grain farmers in this area have invested over $1 million in inputs just in seeding a crop. So what should a good herd bull be worth, if he is going to be the main source of improvement in your herd? I would say it would be far less than $1 million, but it should be far more than the $1800 - 2000 some breeders think is all they can spend on a superior herd bull.

I am like you, in that I could use a few sales at $62,000. To me, it sounds like a pile of money, but when I look around at everything else, it doesn't seem to be as  big a pile. When I look back at sale reports from the past, it becomes very evident that most of them were much better than sales today, when you consider the buying power they produced.


I have not heard who purchased the $62,000 bull, but I expect it was a group of breeders. If that is the case, it really isn't much money each, and is probably a pretty good investment. I know of bulls that have sold over $60,000 in semen sales in a breeding season. There aren't many, but the popular ones do it pretty quickly.
As far as being a double Trump, that may not be what you or I want to use in our herds, but I would expect that if your business revolves around producing some fancy show heifers, and some prospect steers, then it is probably a good choice. There is always a reason some cattle are salable at good prices. It is not only smoke and mirrors, although some of this occurs.  I would suggest that many of these prices are legit.

I would like to congratulate everyone who has had good sales so far, and wish the buyers great success with their purchases. I would far rather see sales results like this, that give a person some optimism rather than poor sale results that make a person wonder if they should book a dispersal sale. Good sales in any breed, filter down through the industry, and everyone benefits at some point in time.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

62,000 for another trump on a trump. MY GOD. Each year I say it can't happen again, yet it does. Who bought him this year? Ah hell who cares, I aint using him.

62,000.  (argue) And people say there is no groundhog day in the shorthorn world.

Good for them I guess. I'm just jealous. I could use 62,000

Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome is the definition of insanity. I hope the judges keep picking that type for their winners. That will help.

Let my beating begin..........................................

Maybe I am not seeing things straight, but when I look at the prices of everything I need to run this place, I am thinking there needs to be more prices like this. My neighbor just purchased a new Chev truck... for $68,000. Yes, it has a bunch of toys on it, but the fact still remains that he will pay far more than $68000 by the time it is paid for. Machinery prices are beyond stupid. In 1974, I purchased a new 3/4 ton 4X4 and a new 20 ft gooseneck trailer. I remember very well, driving home and the thought hit me, that I had $7800 tied up in the truck and trailer. That same year we had a production sale and averaged over $1800 on 56 lots.What would I have to average now to have the same dollars to work with as I did then" There are breeders today who think $1800 is a pretty good price for an animal. I am just saying that we as producers, should be trying to improve our prices, just so we can survive. Is it any wonder, that there is very few left in the industry who can keep cows without a full time job on the side?

My main business is the cattle business, so I consider my herd bulls the same way a grain farmer looks at his machinery or his input costs. Lots of grain farmers in this area have invested over $1 million in inputs just in seeding a crop. So what should a good herd bull be worth, if he is going to be the main source of improvement in your herd? I would say it would be far less than $1 million, but it should be far more than the $1800 - 2000 some breeders think is all they can spend on a superior herd bull.

I am like you, in that I could use a few sales at $62,000. To me, it sounds like a pile of money, but when I look around at everything else, it doesn't seem to be as  big a pile. When I look back at sale reports from the past, it becomes very evident that most of them were much better than sales today, when you consider the buying power they produced.


I have not heard who purchased the $62,000 bull, but I expect it was a group of breeders. If that is the case, it really isn't much money each, and is probably a pretty good investment. I know of bulls that have sold over $60,000 in semen sales in a breeding season. There aren't many, but the popular ones do it pretty quickly.
As far as being a double Trump, that may not be what you or I want to use in our herds, but I would expect that if your business revolves around producing some fancy show heifers, and some prospect steers, then it is probably a good choice. There is always a reason some cattle are salable at good prices. It is not only smoke and mirrors, although some of this occurs.  I would suggest that many of these prices are legit.

I would like to congratulate everyone who has had good sales so far, and wish the buyers great success with their purchases. I would far rather see sales results like this, that give a person some optimism rather than poor sale results that make a person wonder if they should book a dispersal sale. Good sales in any breed, filter down through the industry, and everyone benefits at some point in time.

Very good points JIT. I agree with you here. 68 grand for a truck blows my mind and when you think about all those bells and whistles, they are just more stuff to break on u.
Good prices are great for us all but when we the breeders continue to pay that kind of money for genetics that are already there in mass numbers, how can you question the breeder who bred and sold the bull. I agree Trump on Trump in the show ring is like trying to beat  Kobioshi in a hot dog eatin contest .

 

[shortdawg]

They were getting a group together to buy that bull at $2500/share. They called me to see if I was interested in a share. Brian was really high on the bull and when they are high on one he's usually a pretty good beast. They have produced some great animals up there in Modoc and I commend them on the job they do. Great group of people who know cattle as good as anyone.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

So there is 24 different owners of this bull? I was breeding a 800 lb heifer to Kaboom last night for a guy and he told me you could buy walkin rights on the bull for 5,000.
The guy I was workin for was wondering if the shorthorn breed will ever find another bull. He is currently on his 5th trump son for clean up. He calls my shorthorns "that commercial vodoo crap". Never mind he has not seen my herd in 4 years, he doesn't want to because it's something different and it may be better.
I was at Cates once, they thought me and my buddy should buy a full sib to Bloodstone and Solution for 15,000 that had a 105 lb BW. We didn't but someone did.

 

[showsteerdlux]

Just for clarification lot 4 brought $32,500 and going to Kansas, I loved the 24b heifer, and she went for $9800, she stayed in the same county.

 

[Jacob B]

I agree on the 24b heifer.  She was my pic before the sale.  Just seemed to be too young and not as hairy as some in that sale to breing more that day, but she was one of my top pics for sure.  Thanks for the clarification on those lots, I wasn't paying a ton of attention.  Too busy stuffing my face on those roast beef sandwiches!!!

 

[showsteerdlux]

I saw the 24B heifer in July and she had loads of hair, so I think she'd get it back.

 

[Jacob B]

Agreed, just wasn't her day.  I thought she was still going to be one of the better ones there, but for the buyers that didn't do there homework, as many often don't.  She wasn't looking the part that day. She will get there in the end for sure.  Love her momma.

 

[oakbar]

We raised two CF Margie 9134 (full sib to Margie 119)X Hot Commodity March heifers and an Aviator X SULL Evergreen Sable February heifer this year. 

I’ve also got an I80 X SULL Gooses Bo Plus heifer.  She’s a very hairy April model.

No pics yet as they were  weaned 3 weeks ago and i’m just starting to work with them.

Solution(Trump) genetics still working very well for us.  All of their birth weights were 80-85 pounds.

 

[idalee]

Seems odd that a bull who was born in 1993 is still topping the sales.  Doesn't speak well for breed progress!