Changes in your breed......say the last 10-15 years

[shortyjock89]

The issue is, would you call most of those cattle good? Haven't seen much love for Waukaru in the last few years.

I don't think Waukaru is focused on the show ring as much as the commercial market. The influence of Waukaru bloodlines in Australia is pretty big. We used a yearling bull last year with a Waukaru dam and his sire's dam also was by a Waukaru sire. The bull was really structurally sound with some great EPD's. We will see how he works when the calves start arriving in the next few days!

I'm well aware that they don't breed for the show ring at all. There's a difference between good on paper and good in production. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not opposed to that option.

 

[beebe]

Great figures on this bull there Okotoks, best is that he is 100% Shorthorn! The $CEZ, $BMI and $F spread is superb.
Post some pictures of the calves please.

When you use the term 100% shorthorn is that the same as Native?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

If the cattle of the 60s like leader 21st were native. The only native cattle I know of are dairy influenced shorthorns. If the bull in question is a Waukaru bull-he is nowhere near pure Shorthorn as I alluded to earlier-doesnt mean they dont cross good-because they sure did with the old hush hush clubby and maine shorthorns O0

 

[HAB]

(clapping)  Was waiting for you to chime in-well put-and the f-1s (if thats what they are lol) you post allays look good. Funny how most of the pure cattle are pretty frail looking-them Galloways aint. O0

Yes, The Galloway crosses well with most breeds.  Really works well on Brahma influenced cattle.

 

[Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR]

(clapping)

If the cattle of the 60s like leader 21st were native. The only native cattle I know of are dairy influenced shorthorns. If the bull in question is a Waukaru bull-he is nowhere near pure Shorthorn as I alluded to earlier-doesnt mean they dont cross good-because they sure did with the old hush hush clubby and maine shorthorns O0

 

[Duncraggan]

Great figures on this bull there Okotoks, best is that he is 100% Shorthorn! The $CEZ, $BMI and $F spread is superb.
Post some pictures of the calves please.

When you use the term 100% shorthorn is that the same as Native?

No, I look at the ASA percentage on the website. I believe that 'Native' is the ulimate but there is never any available commercially. Would look at it though!

 

[beebe]

Great figures on this bull there Okotoks, best is that he is 100% Shorthorn! The $CEZ, $BMI and $F spread is superb.
Post some pictures of the calves please.

When you use the term 100% shorthorn is that the same as Native?

No, I look at the ASA percentage on the website. I believe that 'Native' is the ulimate but there is never any available commercially. Would look at it though!

What would you be looking for?  Semen, bulls?

 

[Duncraggan]

Great figures on this bull there Okotoks, best is that he is 100% Shorthorn! The $CEZ, $BMI and $F spread is superb.
Post some pictures of the calves please.

When you use the term 100% shorthorn is that the same as Native?

No, I look at the ASA percentage on the website. I believe that 'Native' is the ulimate but there is never any available commercially. Would look at it though!

What would you be looking for?  Semen, bulls?

Semen

 

[beebe]

What characteristics are you looking for?

 

[idalee]

The designation of "Native" was developed a few years back by the American Milking Shorthorn Society to preserve Shorthorn cattle of genetic purity.  It is defined as those who will trace in all their lines back to Coates' Shorthorn Herd Book of England or to the  Cox Importation.  The Cox Importation was a bull and two cows who were imported into Rensalaer County,  New York, in 1815.  The reason these descendents are given a special designation,  is that Coates' Herd Book was not first published in 1822 so those cattle who arrived here before that time would not have had Coates' pedigrees.  There are several Milking Shorthorn breeders who have "Native" cattle and you can  inquire with the American Milking Shorthorn Society by visiting their website.  I have a Native bull with semen available but only for United States sales.  He was not qualified for export to any other country.  He is a roan,  horned bull, bred by the late Harley Headings,  of Hutchinson,  Kansas.  Also Jack Barnes and Albaugh Ranch in Fallon,  Nevada are actively breeding Native Shorthorns.  In addition,  the SVF Foundation of Newport,  RI is actively propagating Native Shorthorn Cattle through embryo and semen conservation. 

 

[beebe]

You might want to include the Haumont herd as well as Dennis Hoffrogge, David Dell. Even I have a few native shorthorns.