Cloud 9

[Doc]

Others will be able to answer better than me, and it was over a year ago, but I don't remember Dottie 12H looking like an frame 8?

I'm with you, I remember breeder style shorthorns there when my Soon and I attended the sale, but don't remember this cow as that tall.

I do remember the wind....Thought we might all blow away, I think they only lost one big tree branch on a brand new truck, but inside the shed it sounded like 100 mph.

mark

Yea, that was a pretty bad storm that day. I thought for sure we were fixing to see Dorothy and Toto.

 

[aj]

Would she be considered a tonner cow?

 

[Jacob B]

Last time I took a look at cloud 9 out with cows he didn't look to be a 7 or 8.  Sorry to dissapoint all of you that are holding on to marketing yours by telling everyone that someone elses are way too extreme. And let's not forget that there are those that do get them too small.  As I see it (not that it means much coming from me), the Cates program seems to be using more and more bulls that are slightly more moderate than that of the Rodeo Drives and such.  Tyler realy seems to be leaning towards a more moderate framed deal, I don't always hear the exact same thing from Brian, but I think as a whole they are listening to industry demands.  They aren't getting to the extreme downsizeing like some of you may want everyone to do, but they are moderating a lot of those old cows with the bulls that they are useing. 

 

[aj]

When ld said "most of Cates cows are bred to cloud 9"......is that an overstatement? They probably got 100 cows don't they?

 

[justintime]

I saw the Dottie cow and Cloud Nine at Duis's a couple years ago. Dottie had some age on her by then but IMO she was one of the smaller framed cows there at that time. She may have been 1600 lbs but if I had to put money on it, I would have put her at about 1500 lbs. Cloud Nine was a very moderate framed bull. He was one of most moderate bulls Duis had in the sale that fall. I have not seen him since, but if he is a 7 frame bull, he definitely had a major growth sprit.

 

[Okotoks]

I saw the Dottie cow and Cloud Nine at Duis's a couple years ago. Dottie had some age on her by then but IMO she was one of the smaller framed cows there at that time. She may have been 1600 lbs but if I had to put money on it, I would have put her at about 1500 lbs. Cloud Nine was a very moderate framed bull. He was one of most moderate bulls Duis had in the sale that fall. I have not seen him since, but if he is a 7 frame bull, he definitely had a major growth sprit.

You might be close JIT because she would have been at least 12 years old by then.
Diamond Helena Dottie 12H weighed 1651 lbs. Aug. 8, 2001( She was a Feb. 22, 1998, 3 year old raising her second calf) Her first bull calf, Diamond Ketton 8K, was born Jan. 25, 2000 and weighed 700 lbs on Aug. 26, 2000. Her second calf, Diamond Lancaster 15L, born Jan. 22 2001 weighed 683 at 201 days. Both theses calves were sired by Eionmor Chief 16H . I have not seen her since our sale in the fall of 2001 but I wouldn't have expected her to grow a whole lot more after that. t looks like a lot of the breds carry Cloud 9's service in Cates Sale. I really like the looks of Studers Rewind and CF Twilight in the catalogue (thumbsup)

http://www.catesfarms.com/PDFs/2012-Cates-Sale-Catalog.pdf

 

[aj]

Jit......what would would the ave Duis cow have weighed then....1800 pounds?

 

[justintime]

Jit......what would would the ave Duis cow have weighed then....1800 pounds?

I would say there were a few 1800 lb cows at Duis's when I saw them. But remember that some of these cows were flush cows and had done nothing but eat and produce embryos for a few years. He had a few that had been flushed enough times that they were not able to hold a pregnancy but still could be flushed in vitro and produce lots of embryos. The two and three year old females were very normal sized and they looked like they knew how to work and raise a calf.

In regards to some flush cows not being able to hold a pregnancy, there sure seems to be a wide variation in how females handle being flushed. I have seen cows that have been flushed twice and they are already showing the affects of the flush drugs... higher tail head, Coarser fronts, etc. I have also seen cows that have been flushed over 20 times and appear to have had no affects to flushing. I have owned both types of females myself. Our Six S Leah 55L has been flushed about 20 times, and you would never guess that she has ever been flushed. She is safe in calf to an AI service 5 days after her last flush. I have another cow that was flushed twice and she will not stay pregnant more than 2-3 months. My ET vet says that every time a cow is flushed there is some potential to damage the wall of the uterus. It seems some cows are more prone to this happening than others. I wonder if there is any way this could be researched, to see what causes these differences between how cows respond to being flushed?

 

[aj]

In order to apply strict enviromental pressures on seedstock no cows should be flushed. They would undergo a regular routine of no special feed or handling and then their stayability values could be accurately determined.