Deerpark Leader13th

[GM]

I found this picture of what appears to  be a young Deerpark Leader 13th.  It was in the 1977 Herd Bull issue of Shorthorn Country.  Notice that they list Dividend as 7/8's and Improver as 3/4's.

I was wondering if anyone had pictures of Dividend or Improver that were different than the standard pictures that are always published. 

Enjoy,
GM

 

[OKshorthorn]

Found this picture of Deerpark Tulip 5th...I know its not exactly relevant to the topic but I found it interesting.

 

[oakview]

The first time I saw Dividend and Improver was in Denver in 1976, I think.  I was on the ISU judging team and they were on exhibit in the yards if I remember correctly.  I took photos of them with my old polaroid.  Wish I could find them now.  I ordered two canes of Dividend and one of Improver, but found out later the bulls were only registered as 3/4 or 7/8 bloods with no chance of offspring ever entering the herd book as purebreds.  I cancelled the order.  Of course, a few years later they were accepted as purebreds.  I find it interesting today that people call cattle tracing to the Deerpark cattle as asterisk free.  However, if you try to look at the extended pedigree of any of the Leader or Improver cattle, you will find there isn't one.  Dividend, just as my Lazy D Ultimate Type bull, was sired by Deerpark Leader and his ancestry is listed as Foundation.  Nobody really knows for sure what's behind Improver, who is Clare Man?  Most likely the source of TH?  It doesn't really make any difference to me, but I think it is kind of amusing that so many people that promote their cattle as asterisk free have dead end pedigrees, ones that trace to Foundation, whoever that was.  Tulip 5th was the dam of Dividend 3J, TA Leader, etc., I think.

 

[knabe]

every pedigree traces to a dead end.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The first time I saw Dividend and Improver was in Denver in 1976, I think.  I was on the ISU judging team and they were on exhibit in the yards if I remember correctly.  I took photos of them with my old polaroid.  Wish I could find them now.  I ordered two canes of Dividend and one of Improver, but found out later the bulls were only registered as 3/4 or 7/8 bloods with no chance of offspring ever entering the herd book as purebreds.  I cancelled the order.  Of course, a few years later they were accepted as purebreds.  I find it interesting today that people call cattle tracing to the Deerpark cattle as asterisk free.  However, if you try to look at the extended pedigree of any of the Leader or Improver cattle, you will find there isn't one.  Dividend, just as my Lazy D Ultimate Type bull, was sired by Deerpark Leader and his ancestry is listed as Foundation.  Nobody really knows for sure what's behind Improver, who is Clare Man?  Most likely the source of TH?  It doesn't really make any difference to me, but I think it is kind of amusing that so many people that promote their cattle as asterisk free have dead end pedigrees, ones that trace to Foundation, whoever that was.  Tulip 5th was the dam of Dividend 3J, TA Leader, etc., I think.////IN 1990 I WENT TO IRELAND (SOUTHERN ) AND VISTED JOHN MCNALLY (HIGHFIELD) EDWARD QUANE-DEERPARK,BALLYART-WHO HAD THE SHACKELED UP CRIPPLED BALLYART VANTAGE-2 SHORTHORN COWS- 1 MAGNIFICENT HEREFORD COW (CANADIAN BREEDING) ,AND PADDY O MALLY-(THE BANKER) WITH WHAT HAD TO BE A 2700 POUND DEERPARK SCARLETT COW-AND A 2000 POLLED HEREFORD COW FROM CANADA WHAT REMAINED OF QUANES HERD-AND MCNALLYS CATTLE-WERE 10-30 INCREDIBLY BEUTIFULL COWS UP TO 22-(NOT A MISPRINT).OF AGE-AND EVERY DAM ONE OF THEM WAS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT . I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN CATTLE THAT GOOD-OR THAT DIVERSE IN THE SAME FIELD-IN MY LIFE.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

I found this picture of what appears to  be a young Deerpark Leader 13th.  It was in the 1977 Herd Bull issue of Shorthorn Country.  Notice that they list Dividend as 7/8's and Improver as 3/4's.

I was wondering if anyone had pictures of Dividend or Improver that were different than the standard pictures that are always published.  ////Aldens used to advertise Dividend standinding up on a hill-and IT SUCKED-terrible picture. I saw a casual pic taken by Lawrence Grathwohl (when he was very young) and Dividend looked alot more moderate-and alot more stout.

Enjoy,
GM

 

[aj]

knabe.....did the wooley mammoth's have a herd book(Russian) area?

 

[knabe]

knabe.....did the wooley mammoth's have a herd book(Russian) area?

it's being reconstructed through sequencing and hopefully cloning.  the herd book was written on leather and disappeared long ago.  perhaps they will be found in some clay pots though and the lineage can be recreated.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Wonder how heatwave would work on a Wooly-Big BWS-but think of the hair. The Rugbeaters in Iraq and Afganistan should have Club yacks-and yack jocks-thier versions of reality fit right in O0

 

[aj]

Go ahead and laugh Mark. You won't believe me but 4 days ago I chased yaks out of my cows.They were on milo stalks. A neighbor seriously has yaks and he was trying to cross them on cows. Anyway I chased 25 yaks out. They had destroyed half mile of electric fence. Supposedly the selling point on yak meat was low fat or low cholestreol or something. Welcome to my world.

 

[DRB]

Water Buffalo are the interesting ones in our area, there are guys keeping them and primarily for dairy purposes - I guess the milk makes very good cheese and apparently there are a lot of Water Buffalo in Italy.  Atleast they look like a good beefy cow!

 

[knabe]

yaks might add calving ease to shorthorns?

 

[aj]

As I understand it yaks are like mules in pakinstan or somewhere. They are used like mules as pack animals at over 1 mile high. They look kinda like buffalo. I was trying to keep the two groups seperated till my brother showed up to help. One smaller yak bull calf got into the shorthorn group. I had the s-10 up to 45 mph acoss the milo field as this little guy kept circling back to my cows. I lost 17 fence posts as they slid out of the back over a 60 acre area. My favorite sledge hammer. The engine was boiling over as the yaks owner drove up. That little bull calf ran like something out of the wild world of animals. Don't think the yaks had had water for a couple days as they were wondering 17 miles from their base. They race hogs at various state fairs......I think racing yaks could become popular. They did have a bull that appeared to be half yak and half charolais. It looked like it came straight out of a star war movie so I assume they did cross them successfully. Owner didn't seem to be willing to discuss his breeding program as I tryed to remove the locked door from his pickup.Go Yaks. ;D

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

aj that is a instant classic IMO. Yak racin sounds like a beer drinkin endeavor. I have thought of all sorts of ways to raise livestock but yaks never crossed my mind. Maybe the owner was using a old jedi mind trick into making you so mad you couldn't see the genuis of his breeding program and steal his thunder.


Yaks breaking down your fence......... I think I have heard it all now.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Go ahead and laugh Mark. You won't believe me but 4 days ago I chased yaks out of my cows.They were on milo stalks. A neighbor seriously has yaks and he was trying to cross them on cows. Anyway I chased 25 yaks out. They had destroyed half mile of electric fence. Supposedly the selling point on yak meat was low fat or low cholestreol or something. Welcome to my world.///Obamas revenge for mking fun of Muslims-Can you get a Pic of the Charolais Yack?If they display him at Denver-Ill wear a burnous and also offer high mileage Usedehcars as a sideline O0

 

[Dale]

Dividend had two qualities that some people had to breed around or avoid--he was horned and very far from red--old term for his color is light roan.  Some breeders believe that horned cattle are stronger and more rugged--others think that anything but polled is wrong.  Colors are personal preference, and the people who bred for red for years had a difficult time accepting 13th's color.  Dad always liked red, but he consented to use Dividend. 

We are trying to raise some show calves for the grandkids following breeding for red color for 20 years.  Leader 13th is in most of the sires we are using to break the red color pattern and get more chrome.  Red is still a great color, but flashy roans have been great show cattle for quite a while.  One of our best show bulls from the 80's was a son of 13th that we called "Flash"--he was a bright red and white.
   

 

[M Bar Girl]

Harold Hoskins passed away on Monday, December 14th.  Here's to you Slick!

 

[r.n.reed]

I only had  one experience with Harold Hoskins and don't know much about him, but it is probably because of him that I am still in the Shorthorn business.I was a freshman in high school and had been a jr. member of the ASA for all of 9 months when I attended the Ill.state sale and banquet.Tensions were very high at that time as the duals had been brought in and the old gaurd was losing their grip on the breed.At the banquet someone asked me about my cattle and I said that I had just started last fall with a bull and heifer from Haumonts.At that point the judge of the show who was a breeder from up north and sitting about 6 seats down from me at the table turned to me with a venomous glare on his face and said in a loud voice ''THAT WAS STUPID!!!''you could of heard a pin drop in the place and I don't think I was ever so embarrased in my life.Later on after the banquet Harold  pulled me aside and told me not to worry about that guy,you are doing the right thing and stick with your plan.That was the paraphrased version but his words have stuck with me all these years.I regret that I never had the oppurtunity to thank him as our paths never crossed again.