I'm putting some eggs in for the first time ever and i want to do it right. My question is : I have 3 receipts ready now and one was in standing heat yesterday, is it better to put eggs in on a natural heat or can i give a shot of lut and take all 3 at same time? The tech is about 30 minutes from me and i can make multiple trips but if you guys and gals think that natural is no better than lut then i think i will sync them and just make one trip. Thanks for the help . Remember it's my first time so any help will help me.
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red
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Think cowboy would agree. Also make sure they come in actual heats. Don't go by the time's given.
I hope Terry can add to thread. He is the ET guru in my opinion. I just wish NE was closer to OH.
Red
I hope Terry can add to thread. He is the ET guru in my opinion. I just wish NE was closer to OH.
Red
fluffer
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red said:
I will second that!!!
red
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fluffer said:
Wonder if we could put together a truck to haul several donors out there & share costs? Might be something to look at some time. I'd love to flush Rose to Money Man or my Foreplay to something. i've got the Foreplay already bred but maybe we could look at next year?
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If you're only 30 minutes from the E.T. tech, there's no question about it, you should go off natural heats. IMO.
There are lots of people that sync cows but the only time I would suggest to do it is if you wanted to put in fresh and they need to be in sync with the donor or if you only have a day that the Embryo Tech could be there. In ATOZ's situation I would do it by natural heat.CPL said:
To answere the question of what would happen think of it this way. If you bring the 3 to the Tech and use natural heats you have a good chance of getting 2 out of 3 first service. If you sync the cows and then take them you may only get 1 out of 3. I like the first odds better.
It is also a good idea to know exactly when the reciep was in heat. This does not make a huge difference but it may give the tech a better idea of what stage embryo to put it what reciep, 12 hours may matter.
We flushed a cow that did not read the protocol and showed no sign of heat but we bred her when she should have been in. Then the next day was in standing heat. We flushed her after the standing heat but she had ovulated when she should have so now we have 8 day embryos that we have to put in to a 8 day heat instead of the usual 7 day, so every little bit of knowledge may help get better conception rates.
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Are eggs stored in a straw much like semen?
Where do they implant them...into the horn, etc.??
Where do they implant them...into the horn, etc.??
Most are in straws these days and yes the Tech must put them in the horn that has the CL. You can do a lot of damage going that far into the uterus or even handling a overy. That is why a trained Tech should only do this.
red
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Since cowboy won't brag on himself, I will for him. This is what he's done so far this week:
FYI -- the last week alone we have flushed 6 donors -- here are the results from those flushes.
8 for 8
9 for 10
10 for 10
14 for 15
18 for 19
and then -- unexpected totally -- 28 of 31
There were -0- unfertilized eggs from these flushes, the only discards were for quality -- and very few of those.
The 28 egg flush and the 18 egg flush used "1" unit of semen, and they were both from the 70's.
Incidentaly -- the 28 egg flush yielded a per egg cost to the producer -- including 80 days for the donor care -- of 34.60 per egg picked up! I doubt if there is any where in this country that you can take a cow and get frozen embryos back for that kind of money -- some cows who give a good average of 10-12 will still only have 60-70 dollar eggs in the tank.
Just so you know -- we charge 300 $ including all the drugs and prep work to flush the cow -- eggs on the table and ready. 25$ per egg to freeze for first 10, then it is 10$ per egg thereafter. 4$ per day for the donor care -- and they get "FED" here!
FYI -- the last week alone we have flushed 6 donors -- here are the results from those flushes.
8 for 8
9 for 10
10 for 10
14 for 15
18 for 19
and then -- unexpected totally -- 28 of 31
There were -0- unfertilized eggs from these flushes, the only discards were for quality -- and very few of those.
The 28 egg flush and the 18 egg flush used "1" unit of semen, and they were both from the 70's.
Incidentaly -- the 28 egg flush yielded a per egg cost to the producer -- including 80 days for the donor care -- of 34.60 per egg picked up! I doubt if there is any where in this country that you can take a cow and get frozen embryos back for that kind of money -- some cows who give a good average of 10-12 will still only have 60-70 dollar eggs in the tank.
Just so you know -- we charge 300 $ including all the drugs and prep work to flush the cow -- eggs on the table and ready. 25$ per egg to freeze for first 10, then it is 10$ per egg thereafter. 4$ per day for the donor care -- and they get "FED" here!
mechanic
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Red: With results like that I would be tempted to bring a couple cows up from Canada and pick you up on the way buy. JIT is the only one I know up here who gets those kind of results.
Thanks again for all the great info!! Looks like i will be making 2 or 3 trips. 1st one was standing heat Wedsday at noon and 2nd was standing tonight at 6:00 still waiting on the last one. I have 3 more but they just calved about 2 weeks ago so they are still 2 months away. Thanks and i will report on how we did.
Cowboy
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O M G -- Red -- you are a DEVIL ~~~ 
I am pretty much in shock on this one -- to make it all make sense, I was writing an e-mail to Red and was feeling pretty good about the weeks work, so I mentioned what we had done in the mail. I guess I might have said more than I normally do -- and she is right -- it is very hard for me to write this kind of stuff on a public forum. I have always felt it is better to hear it from others than to brag yourself, the only advertising I do is word of mouth -- so I guess as of now -- this forum just became a "Word of mouth".
I am embarrassed for some reason, I guess I just don't get the mention very often to able to be used to it! I have no problem telling every one how good Dr Hannon and staff do out there -- but it's harder to tell the story when it is me. I am stumbling along here making an idiot out of myself, so forgive me -- I am kind of in shock!
I did get a warning however, she said if I didn't tell others about what I wrote to her, SHE would -- I'll be darned if she didn't do it too!!!
Well now what??? I should probably try and regain composure and answer the question this thread started with.
As far as recipient heats -- natural versus synced -- GO NATURAL -- believe me -- 95% of the time or more -- you will get better preg rates with natural heats -- with totally ACCURATE time of standing and quiting! If this program is worth the extra bucks to get an ET calf, isn't it also worth the extra time to do it right??
PS -=- The main reason I write those results to Red was to further enforce my rule here -- I breed the donors when THEY tell me to -- not when the clock says 5 PM and give a drug to make it right! Every one of those flushes were bred one time, 4 had 2 units of semen placed one each per horn. 2 of them had 1 unit -- due to value and availability of the semen. It gets fun to draw an ampule up into two 1/4cc straws and go breed a donor cow who is 10 years old, with semen that is 39 years old!!! Now "That is a RUSH" That was the 18 of 19 flush.
Again, I am humbled to say the least -- I did not see this one coming. Red my dear friend -- I OWE you! Going to pour cold water on my head now -- talk later!
Terry
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I am pretty much in shock on this one -- to make it all make sense, I was writing an e-mail to Red and was feeling pretty good about the weeks work, so I mentioned what we had done in the mail. I guess I might have said more than I normally do -- and she is right -- it is very hard for me to write this kind of stuff on a public forum. I have always felt it is better to hear it from others than to brag yourself, the only advertising I do is word of mouth -- so I guess as of now -- this forum just became a "Word of mouth".
I am embarrassed for some reason, I guess I just don't get the mention very often to able to be used to it! I have no problem telling every one how good Dr Hannon and staff do out there -- but it's harder to tell the story when it is me. I am stumbling along here making an idiot out of myself, so forgive me -- I am kind of in shock!
I did get a warning however, she said if I didn't tell others about what I wrote to her, SHE would -- I'll be darned if she didn't do it too!!!
Well now what??? I should probably try and regain composure and answer the question this thread started with.
As far as recipient heats -- natural versus synced -- GO NATURAL -- believe me -- 95% of the time or more -- you will get better preg rates with natural heats -- with totally ACCURATE time of standing and quiting! If this program is worth the extra bucks to get an ET calf, isn't it also worth the extra time to do it right??
PS -=- The main reason I write those results to Red was to further enforce my rule here -- I breed the donors when THEY tell me to -- not when the clock says 5 PM and give a drug to make it right! Every one of those flushes were bred one time, 4 had 2 units of semen placed one each per horn. 2 of them had 1 unit -- due to value and availability of the semen. It gets fun to draw an ampule up into two 1/4cc straws and go breed a donor cow who is 10 years old, with semen that is 39 years old!!! Now "That is a RUSH" That was the 18 of 19 flush.
Again, I am humbled to say the least -- I did not see this one coming. Red my dear friend -- I OWE you! Going to pour cold water on my head now -- talk later!
Terry
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red
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Terry- if you won't I will! you've become a dear friend & I help my friends. course I like to help ALL my Steer Planet buddies! (welcome)
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