I am considering using either bull on a dozen or so cows next year. Would you choose one over the other? From the forum, I can get a good bit of info on Gus, but much less on the type of cow Ultra produces. I run a primarily grass based herd that is out on pasture (grazing or bale grazing) year round.
Eionmor Gus 80C vs Eionmor Ultra 8C
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Willow Springs
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I remember when Eionmor was showing both of the bulls, and I actually preferred Ultra though in most shows he placed behind Gus becasue Gus was the thicker bull. But by my memory Ultra was better balanced, had better testicles, better legs and moved more cleanly. I didn't like Gus at all. When talking with Robert a few years ago I asked him which bull would make better cows and his answer was Ultra.
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I know even less about 85c than I do about the other two - so I really have no idea. I have semen on 80 and 8 so that’s mainly why I was wondering about them. I see on Digitalbeef that 85C had progeny in 2012 - so there must be some semen around. But what the bull’s like? Your guess is a good as mine.
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I have some 30b, 80c, and 85c and have always been curious about how the three brothers were different from each other.
I have plans to use one of them on a Super Flag daughter in the future, but have yet to figure out which one might leave the most rib in one.
I have plans to use one of them on a Super Flag daughter in the future, but have yet to figure out which one might leave the most rib in one.
aj
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How are as far as the double muscled deal?
justintime
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I have seen excellent beef genetics from both bulls. If I had to pick one, I would chose Ultra 8C mainly because his calves have a bit more natural thickness and rib shape as compared to the Gus 80C's. Gus 80C calves are very correct but some seemed to be just a bit more flat sided. I saw some awesome beef cows in Ireland sired by 8C last year, Depending on what type of cow you are planning to use them on, I think there is a definite place for both bulls.
I had two doses of Mr Gus 80C here and decided to put them in my online sale last January. They sold for $430/ straw.
I had two doses of Mr Gus 80C here and decided to put them in my online sale last January. They sold for $430/ straw.
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I'm almost sure I have a 30b picture saved somewhere, but I can't figure out where I've buried it.
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mark tenenbaum
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Years ago at the Iowa State fair there was a roan bull who was displayed as the biggest bull in the state or whatever He weighed 3000 pounds and was massive and deep but not as tall as the dual types that used to get really big He was a Gus maybe 30B or something cant remember O0
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IMO 8C doesn't look like a carrier. 85C definitely has the 'look' of 226X, and GAFA Mohican could be the source of it though it isn't as pronounced as 85C. If memory serves, I think someone told me they knew someone who saw Mohican in person and suspected he was Myo at the time.. that's pretty distant hearsay at this point though and I can't remember who I heard that from.Medium Rare said:I'm almost sure I have a 30b picture saved somewhere, but I can't figure out where I've buried it.
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Here is a pair of 3/4 sister red neck roan heifers where 1 has 226X and 1 does not, in case anyone is curious.
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Have 5 straws of 80c at trans ova make offer O0
I have had calves from or seen cattle from the bulls you asked about. I also saw 30B, 80C, 85C. This my opinion:
30B - follows the frame size of the cow, good udders, not big birth weights but not a consistent heifer bull, adds length, good volume, good females
80C - calving easy, moderates frame, udders not quite as good, nice rib shape and volume, good females, very uniform calves
85C- calving ease, throws quite a bit of color, good females
Ultra 8C - not a calving ease bull, throws more birth weight, frame and bone. Some people say he was the thickest of the Eionmor bulls, but I never saw him
I saw some really functional females out of 30B, 80C, and 85C. On the right cows they have some eye appeal, but tend to be not as clean fronted with a little more set to their legs. Ultra 8C cows were a little big for me, but I prefer 5.5 to 6.0 frame cattle.
Eionmor Marquis 86G is another bull to consider. He was eventually owned by Dale Studer. His mother was also the mother of 80C. She was a gorgeous cow, saw her when she was 12 or 13 years old. I used a son of Marquis as a herd bull, Studer's Trendsetter 31T.
30B - follows the frame size of the cow, good udders, not big birth weights but not a consistent heifer bull, adds length, good volume, good females
80C - calving easy, moderates frame, udders not quite as good, nice rib shape and volume, good females, very uniform calves
85C- calving ease, throws quite a bit of color, good females
Ultra 8C - not a calving ease bull, throws more birth weight, frame and bone. Some people say he was the thickest of the Eionmor bulls, but I never saw him
I saw some really functional females out of 30B, 80C, and 85C. On the right cows they have some eye appeal, but tend to be not as clean fronted with a little more set to their legs. Ultra 8C cows were a little big for me, but I prefer 5.5 to 6.0 frame cattle.
Eionmor Marquis 86G is another bull to consider. He was eventually owned by Dale Studer. His mother was also the mother of 80C. She was a gorgeous cow, saw her when she was 12 or 13 years old. I used a son of Marquis as a herd bull, Studer's Trendsetter 31T.
