Failure of the Shorthorn breed???

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crybaby

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Found this to be interesting-- apparently this is nothing new...

that is discounting roans at the market place, and a 'selling of pedigrees' instead of stock..

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I suppose it will last for atleast 200 years...
 

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twistedhshowstock

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I am not exactly sure what your saying here??? What did you find to be interesting? The fact that roans get discounted at the sale barn? I dont think you can blame that on the shorthorn breed.  One you can attribute blacks doin well at the sale barns and markets to the Angus Association, and not because Angus are such glorius, proven better performers.  In tests there are lots of breeds that can compete.  But the Angus Association got a jump and outmarketed everyone else, thus creating the beliefe that blacker is better.  That of course led to the judges using black everywhere, which in turn led to all but a handful of breeds magically turning black.
Another reason that roans get discounted is because that there are a couple other breeds that also produce roan...namely Coriente and Longhorn...neither of wich perform well in the feedlot.  And rather than take the time to decide if the cattle in the ring are actually decent or not, or more so if they are actually Coriente or Longhorn, or a beef calf that will actually perform and just happens to be roan. The folks at the markets decided it would be a quicker and better program to just dock everything that is red or roan.
In any case I dont think you blame the Shorthorn breeders, maybe you blame all the associations for not countering the CAB program years earlier and letting black get such a jump.  But the selling of pedigrees and not cattle is not unique to the Shorthorns, it is very common in absolutely every breed out there.  Go to a sale and get the catalog and circle the top pedigrees in the sale and notice how absolutely everyone flocks to those cattle, while barely glancing at a lesser known pedigree or breeders pens.  Those lesser knowns may be twice the specimen physically, but they hardly get noticed, because in this day an age many people wont take the time to evaluate the cattle, they glance over the offering based on pedigree and have decided what they are buying often times before they even see the cattle.  And this is true in all breeds.
 
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twistedhshowstock said:
I am not exactly sure what your saying here??? What did you find to be interesting?

the problems that are discussed, and cussed on here daily... have been going on for nearly 200 years... that's all. 
 
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crybaby

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Crystalbeth said:
Did you miss us that much ? Can't stay away?

I'll post my name, if you post your's.. Obviously you think I'm somebody I'm not...  (pop)
 

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So are you saying the breed association should let in blacks higher than the %50 they now do?
 
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frostback said:
So are you saying the breed association should let in blacks higher than the %50 they now do?

No, I'm not saying anything, just posted these two paragraphs for a FYI interesting tidbit to help add to the ever on going shorthorn battles that occur on here b/w the masses...  I thought it was fitting.
 

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I think this attacking of the shorthorn breed is probably a conspiracy. Sort of like attack ads in politics. Pay someone like the BS or Crybaby to throw s*%t and hope some sticks.
 

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angus is just earl marshall.  totally inbred.

angus added maine's, hostein's, there's probably shorthorn from a long time ago, ie when they got rid of horns and roans.

who knows what else.

as usual, the initial type post provides no information, no insight and no utility.


 

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crybaby said:
the problems that are discussed, and cussed on here daily... have been going on for nearly 200 years... that's all. 

wow, new information.  how many people in your choir?
 

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so the ip address isn't from an nrcs office cause the rest of the time you are out of cell range taking care of cattle and sheep?
 
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What I find even more ignorant is the selection of color over individuals at the sale barn...
 

Mark H

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How old is the attached history lesson?  All it talks about is history from the 19th century and nothing from problems in breed today.  Basically irrelevant.
 

Mark H

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That article was on the history of the Kentucky beef industry and any mention of the Shorthorn breed is purely tangential.  It doesn't go into breed problems or even into the breed in the 20th century; enough said.
 

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I'm confused to why people are attacking Crybaby right now  ???. All he did was post an article that he found interesting. The way I took it was that he was showing everyone that the same arguments about the shorthorn breed has been going on for hundreds of years. I am personally a young shorthorn breeder myself and here this from other breeders that have different breeds of cattle all of the time. Its like people that argue whether Ford, Chevy, or Dodge is better. Every breed has its perks and every breed has their flaws and no matter how much people argue about it, the difference in opinion will always be there.
 
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