Fertility or what?

[sue]

6S Leah

Leah was selected from the historic Butterfield dispersal. Philip Butterfield referred to her as “a truly monumental mother cow”. She produced 4 excellent daughters in the Butterfield herd before she came here. Her 2008 bull, HC FL Patriot 71U x* was our top selling bull in the 09 Sun Country Bull Sale at $5000 to Raymond Carnes, Tyler ,TX.

Leah has also excelled as a donor female, and she is the all time best embryo producer we have ever had. She produced 162 grade 1 embryos in 6 flushes to average 27 per flush. She has only been a donor female here for 1 year, however, her embryos have gone to leading herds throughout the US, Canada, Scotland and Australia. Leah is proof that you can have easy fleshing ability and performance in the same package. She weighs over 2100 lbs on a poor day, and is usually on a diet because she is getting too fat.

 

[sue]

why on earth would Rick walk away from a "donor" like this one?

 

[sue]

why on earth would Rick walk away from a "donor" like this one?

No where in the web page of fantasy lane did it say" owned with Horseshoe Creek" ?

 

[sue]

  She weighs over 2100 lbs on a poor day, and is usually on a diet because she is getting too fat.

 

[justintime]

ummmmm... sue..... Rick took many of those comments about his donor cows directly from our website. Some of these comments on our site have been updated now but that was exactly what I wrote on our website. And what is your issue here? I started this thread in regards to the performance of the Leah cow... nothing more. Rick has not walked away from this cow or any others. When I  implant Leah embryos from my inventory the resulting calves are mine. When he puts embryos in from his inventory, the resulting calves are his. He has decided that he doesn't want to put any embryos in at the present time, but that does not mean he will not put more in , in the future.  He just doesn't want any more embryos as he has lots in his own inventory. We each have our own embryo inventories as the embryos have been split at time of flush. I have sold several of his embryos as well as my own.

 

[sue]

what was your point grant? Fantasy Lane owns alot of the females you flush?  did you get them into the business and  leave em hanging? 

 

[sue]

Fantasy Lane has embryos for sale?

 

[sue]

Fantasy Lane has embryos for sale?

profit is profit .. are you helping your investor profit too?

 

[sue]

We purchased Six S Leah 55L in 2007 in the Butterfield dispersal in Alberta for $6300. At the time she was a 6 year old cow. At that time, I had only paid that much for a female on a couple other occasions. For some reason, I was absolutely determined to own this cow and I decided before the sale that if I had to sell 25 cows to pay for her I was willing to do it. Fortunately, I didn't have to do that and fortunately, even my wife, who was sitting beside me when I purchased her, said she thought I had got a bargain!! After the sale, I


says here you purchased with your wife? nothing about Rick/ Fantasy Lane? did rick sell 25 cows to pay for her?

 

[Okotoks]

We purchased Six S Leah 55L in 2007 in the Butterfield dispersal in Alberta for $6300. At the time she was a 6 year old cow. At that time, I had only paid that much for a female on a couple other occasions. For some reason, I was absolutely determined to own this cow and I decided before the sale that if I had to sell 25 cows to pay for her I was willing to do it. Fortunately, I didn't have to do that and fortunately, even my wife, who was sitting beside me when I purchased her, said she thought I had got a bargain!! After the sale, I


says here you purchased with your wife? nothing about Rick/ Fantasy Lane? did rick sell 25 cows to pay for her?

It's no secret that Fantasy Lane and Horseshoe Creek were partners on a lot of cows. I take it all your partners made nothing but money Sue!

 

[thunderdownunder]

Slow news day Sue? Seriously....

 

[aj]

The Canadian fog........rolls in..........aawwwooooooooogaaa.......across the saquatch valley..........awwwoooooooogaaa.

 

[justintime]

Sue ... first off, this has nothing to do with what this thread is about. Yes Fantasy Lane has embryos that he will sell. He also has embryos he doesn't want to sell. That is entirely his decision.He has stock piled embryos from some of his better produci cows so he will have the genetics anytime he wants to use them.  Yes we partnered on several cows I purchased her, but we partnered on her afterwards. Some of the cows we partnered on were purchased entirely by myself and some Rick purchased and we exhanged interests. Rick has never even seen Leah as the partnered cows are kept here and their calves as well as some of Ricks own cows are kept here as he lives 1500 miles east of here and it is much easier for me to get them to and from the ET centre we use. I also have had several other cows the Rick owns entirely that I have kept here and I do not charge him anything for maintaining them, and never will. He has purchased some in sales in Western Canada, and they have just came to our place and I keep them for him. The calves from them are developed and sold for him, or sent back east to him. We partnered on the Red Sue cow and paid $9000 for her in Illinois. At the time, Rick had more invested than I had, so I paid for the cow in entirity and gave him 1/2 interest in her. Rick has paid for some flushes entirely and he has got all the embryos from those flushes. I have done the same. We partnered on some cows so we both could use them in our herds.  Rick has been to my farm on two occasions. The first was when he was just starting his herd, and the second time was when they were heading to Edmonton to the National show and they stopped here to rest the cattle for a day. Leah was in Alberta at the ET center at that time.  What is your point. Quick frankly, I should propably not even respond as my dealing with any partner I may or may not have is none of your business.  

I started this thread because I felt her story was pretty unique, at least unique when compared with many other cows I have owned entirely or in partnership.

 

[sizzler14]

I dont like big cows, I love big cows for a few reasons. One, I dont run 100-1000 head of cattle. I simply run 20 good quality cattle that usually produce a good one every year. I was running 40 head, but I cut it down to 20 cows that were extremely consistent. I breed strictly for show calves and My thoughts have always been It is easier to breed a cow down (frame wise) then it is up, especially in the club calf world. So I am on yourside with the big cows but that just applys to how I run my herd and the spectrum I am in. But I wanted to say, number one at age 11 and being a shorthorn, Thats a hell of a good looking cow, and for a cow to be so fertile so old (flushing wise) is awesome. Since she is getting up there andyou only have 33 eggs left, from now on when I flushed her, I would retain all the eggs because once she is dead, there will be no more. And the odds of you coming along and finding a cow that big, that fertile, for $6300 and can pay for herself probably 15 times over on eggs not counting her et calves, you are going to spend many many years finding that cow. So I would keep the rest of the eggs. JMO. Great Success story  <beer>

 

[justintime]

I dont like big cows, I love big cows for a few reasons. One, I dont run 100-1000 head of cattle. I simply run 20 good quality cattle that usually produce a good one every year. I was running 40 head, but I cut it down to 20 cows that were extremely consistent. I breed strictly for show calves and My thoughts have always been It is easier to breed a cow down (frame wise) then it is up, especially in the club calf world. So I am on yourside with the big cows but that just applys to how I run my herd and the spectrum I am in. But I wanted to say, number one at age 11 and being a shorthorn, Thats a hell of a good looking cow, and for a cow to be so fertile so old (flushing wise) is awesome. Since she is getting up there andyou only have 33 eggs left, from now on when I flushed her, I would retain all the eggs because once she is dead, there will be no more. And the odds of you coming along and finding a cow that big, that fertile, for $6300 and can pay for herself probably 15 times over on eggs not counting her et calves, you are going to spend many many years finding that cow. So I would keep the rest of the eggs. JMO. Great Success story  <beer>

Thanks for your comments. I am really hoping we get some heifers from her this year. I have 15 pregnancies due here in the next couple months, and I also have a few in Minnesota. So far the Minnesota calves from Leah have all been bulls. If nothing else, I will probably keep a bull back to inject more of her genetics into the herd.  So far, all of her calves have been very easy fleshing and thick made like her.

 

[frostback]

Grant you should not have to give anyone your business practices or partnership deals on line. That was totally uncalled for. Its no one business who, or how your partners and you work except your partners. If they have a problem they should contant you. Not someone throwing around innuendos, speculation and just total BS. Maybe she could post all her partners and dealing and how much money has been made with each.

 

[cpubarn]

I think it is fabulous to haave the fertility that this cow has displayed.  I can only hope to run across 1 or 2 like that sometime soon.

Good luck with her in the future!

Mark

 

[sue]

Sue ... first off, this has nothing to do with what this thread is about. Yes Fantasy Lane has embryos that he will sell. He also has embryos he doesn't want to sell. That is entirely his decision.He has stock piled embryos from some of his better produci cows so he will have the genetics anytime he wants to use them.  Yes we partnered on several cows I purchased her, but we partnered on her afterwards. Some of the cows we partnered on were purchased entirely by myself and some Rick purchased and we exhanged interests. Rick has never even seen Leah as the partnered cows are kept here and their calves as well as some of Ricks own cows are kept here as he lives 1500 miles east of here and it is much easier for me to get them to and from the ET centre we use. I also have had several other cows the Rick owns entirely that I have kept here and I do not charge him anything for maintaining them, and never will. He has purchased some in sales in Western Canada, and they have just came to our place and I keep them for him. The calves from them are developed and sold for him, or sent back east to him. We partnered on the Red Sue cow and paid $9000 for her in Illinois. At the time, Rick had more invested than I had, so I paid for the cow in entirity and gave him 1/2 interest in her. Rick has paid for some flushes entirely and he has got all the embryos from those flushes. I have done the same. We partnered on some cows so we both could use them in our herds.  Rick has been to my farm on two occasions. The first was when he was just starting his herd, and the second time was when they were heading to Edmonton to the National show and they stopped here to rest the cattle for a day. Leah was in Alberta at the ET center at that time.  What is your point. Quick frankly, I should propably not even respond as my dealing with any partner I may or may not have is none of your business.  

I started this thread because I felt her story was pretty unique, at least unique when compared with many other cows I have owned entirely or in partnership.

Thanks Grant.  "he is a silent partner" would have worked too.  Fantasy Lane is like alot of breeders they come and they go. I personally hope his experiences were good  and profitable too. 

 

[aj]

Grant started the thread.......I don't see why ownership of the cow  should be a secret. Whats the deal start up a thread.....and then answer only the questions you want to answer? Looks like to me if you are advertise cattle in a public forum.......you kinda open yourself for questions.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I'd like to see that cow flushed to SAV Resource at Genex.