Gold Rush/Maternal Perfection/Red White & Roan

[RankeCattleCo]

Has anyone had any calves out of Gold Rush or Maternal Perfection? We have two Milkman cows we are looking to breed this summer to either of them. Both are three year olds; one of the two didn't breed back so she will only be a second calver.  Is it too early to breed them clubby? The first calves came out at 71 and 79 pounds, both I-80, and were unassisted births.

Also what are the opinions on Lautner's Red White and Roan?

Thank you,
Ryan

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Ce-1:Maternal Perf, 2: Red White and Roan 3:Goldrush  Thickness-1:Goldrush,2Maternal Perfection. Judging from the way hes bred and looks-Red White and Roan may be thickest of them all-need to see him at a later age. O0

 

[RankeCattleCo]

These cows are real long and I think that Red White & Roan should shorten them up. Really like him b/c the calves will be able to be reg. with the Shorthorn Association. With the dams being Milkman we are looking for color, we had about a fist sized white spot on the cod of one steer last year when bred to I-80- both cows are black.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[RankeCattleCo]

My bad-- I meant to ask about Dakota Gold, the THF Monopoly son. 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

My bad-- I meant to ask about Dakota Gold, the THF Monopoly son. // Yea Dakota Gold looks like a truck-Id try him and Red White Etc-That type of Shorthornxclubby would really work on i 80s or Milkman types-a friend I wont mention had a full sib to Milkman and he was a flat out cow killer-Im not saying that this is allways the case-but Shorthorn and the Char x deal really works-and Id be real hesitant to use Dakota Gold on that char x Maine etc (Milkman) till I saw some calves-maybe too much of a good thing. O0

 

[RankeCattleCo]

So you're thinking RW&W? And wait to see some progeny out of Dakota Gold?

 

[Telos]

How did the I-80's pan out? Those should have had some qaulity.

 

[RankeCattleCo]

They actually turned out pretty well. Unfortanately they were both steers.  The cows just need some powering up, which I knew I-80 wouldn't do.  They were frail boned and surprisingly the front ends weren't great. They sold for $1500 a piece- not bad for heifers that cost $2,000 and $2,250 respectively. Can't complain about making 70% of your money back in the first calf crop!

I feel that for $1500 they will make a kid a great county fair steer and one to prospect a few times. They were green when they sold, especially the second of the two.

Most importantly, the cows were great mothers and milked very well. No calving problems. Being Heat Wave grand daughters, I thought this was very key.  Unfortunately one didn't breed back and the other is bred to I-80 for a May 1 calf. Praying for a heifer!

Here are the two steers from last year at 6 months of age.

Thanks!
Ryan

 

[mark tenenbaum]

So you're thinking RW&W? And wait to see some progeny out of Dakota Gold?// Id try both-i just think Dakota gold might be a little extreme on higher BW genetics-Hed work great on an Angus,i-80,Ali type, where RW&R etc would work great on a really stout clubby char based -or probably anything black. O0

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Thanks Mark. We may be playing with fire breeding a Heatwave grandson (Dakota Gold) to a Heatwave grand daughter as only 4 year olds. Just talked to Matt and I asked him to stop out to give us some insight. I'll try and get pictures of the dams in the next few days.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Thanks Mark. We may be playing with fire breeding a Heatwave grandson (Dakota Gold) to a Heatwave grand daughter as only 4 year olds. Just talked to Matt and I asked him to stop out to give us some insight. I'll try and get pictures of the dams in the next few days./// id like to see them-The Proud jazz clubby cross on char base(Yellow Jacket, Milkman) and clubbys really seems to to work.I was cruizing through Caldwell Will sales and saw a couple-they were unique-and pretty but had the MOST butt, O0

 

[Davidsonranch]

So Shorthorn guys, could / would Red White and Roan be a calving ease sire?

 

[NikkelBros]

Maternal Perfection looks awesome. Can't wait to see these calves as they get older. I haven't seen to much of Dakota Gold stuff but who knows, they'll pop up.

Red, White, and Roan looks like a midget.

My 2 cents.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

So Shorthorn guys, could / would Red White and Roan be a calving ease sire?

////[/quote HEs too thick to be a hiefer bull,but he wont be a cow killer either from what I see of his dam.Double Stuff was not a short bull,I saw him at stud in OKlahoma-in 1996,and niether were the WO bulls and Diamond Legs in the dams background.She was really stout,but definitley not a pud. I also saw a pic of him as a calf with his mother-and he wasnt a pud-he isnt real tall,but is not a midget,and wil probably be a little shorter than Maternal Perfection H
hieght wise Maybe a tick shorter-definitely alot thicker,and clean O0

 

[Davidsonranch]

Anyone know is birthweight? 

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Anyone know is birthweight? /// 85 PLUS OR MINUS O0

 

[RankeCattleCo]

You saw Red White and Roan in the pasture Mark?

 

[mark tenenbaum]

No I didnt see him on pasture-I saw a picture of him and his dam when he was a calf-he was a tank-but had enough length in his pasterns-and the given the guy standing with his dam was 5-8 or more-niether animal was a pud-Ive jabbered about how well the jazz x works with Char breeding-Heres a TERRIBLE cell phone picture of a sale video-Welshans last fall-the video is dead now-wish you could have seen 1-THE BUTT, and 2-The walk-this Milkman Proud JazzxDouble Vision hiefer had  she was at $7500 and bidding wasnt over when I saved the video- Take a more Clubby version like Red White ETc-on a Milkman with the final product probably being a tick longer,taller,but maybe thicker than this one-well-theres real potential, probably more with this particular breeding than black O0

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Here are pictures of the dams-

This one is a Milkman x Angus- she didn't breed back. She sired the calf with noticeably less chest floor pictured in a previous post.

The second picture is a Milkman x Maine. She sired the deeper chested calf. She bred back to I-80 for a May
1st calf. (Doh!)

Sorry for the terrible picture quality. I wish I knew the dams breeding on both.. had bad buyer/seller relationship
Would do it way differently looking back on it now. I believe the Maine influenced cow's dam was by Sooner.

Thanks!
Ryan

 

[RankeCattleCo]

Is there any way I can make my pictures smaller so I can upload them?