Grand 4 T Fyer Question

[DEA]

Not to beat a dead horse in the ground about feed rations, but......... (I did a search and didn't find what I was looking for)

We are looking at using this (trying to use a cheaper alternative mix than complete show feed because of $$$$) and are curious about the % of corn to oats ration when mixed with this for growing and finishing steers and heifers.  Heifers need to be "fat" to compete.
All things considered equal, what would be a good growing and finishing percentage of corn and oats to use with this? (and still finish steers while keeping hair!!)  Not neccessarily looking for a ration, but a standard percentage to go by and we can adjust if need be.  For those who use this, any advice/help would be greatly appreciated

 

[BCCC]

Not sure but Jill has a ration(using the Grand T flyer) and her cattle always look very good! She could tell you.

 

[Jill]

Found it, not sure of how to post the thread so I'll just copy it.  I don't know how you would figure percentages, maybe you can figure that out from what she gave me.
Here is the recipe our feed rep gave us and we were very pleased with it, we fed it for about a year and a half, we have gone to the honor premix because it is a little bit cheaper with the same basic ingredients, I have also included the specs for it.
2200  Pound mix
Crimped Corn-1030
Oats-230
Cottonseed Pellets-70
Cottonseed Hulls-60
Molasses-Wet-100
4 T Fyer-500
Alfalfa Dehy Pellet-100
Beef Supermix B-1800-110

Here is the Honor, we had it figured using both soyhulls and oats, we tried and weren't happy with the soyhulls, it was a really dusty, fluffy deal but it was about 30 dollars a ton cheaper, anyway we feed with the oats.  In comparing this it is not what they are grinding at my feed mill for me, so I will let you know after I talk to them what the differences are.

  Ingredient Detail

  Imperial                                              Allen    Allen
                                                                grower            grower
                                                                with  with oats
                                                              soyhulls
  Ingredient Basis: As Fed

  2710110  Cottonseed Hulls  45.00  45.00
  2472101  Alfalfa Pellets  200.00  200.00
  26894091  Oats Rolled          855.00
  2901  Corn, Cracked  400.00  400.00
  1311323  Honor Show Calf  350.00  400.00
                        Performix
  2710105  Soybean Hulls  905.00
  950501  Beet Molasses Soluble  100.00  100.00
  2000.00  2000.00

 


  AsFed Intake:                        2000.00  2000.00
  DM Intake:                                            1761.00  1770.06
  1  Dry Matter  lb  1761.00  1770.06
  2  Crude ProteinLb  293.56  287.99
  41  Fat  lb  59.24  84.17
  48  Roughage  -  527.84  131.96
  14  TDN  lb  1356.42  1324.10
  9  NEg  Mcal  964.46  922.18
  10  NEm  Mcal  1472.96  1426.11
  11  ADF  lb  540.42  246.94
  12  NDF  lb  714.77  419.98
  16  Vit A  IU  3500000.00  4000000.00
  17  Vit D  IU  525000.00  600000.00
  18  Vit E  IU  8750.00  10000.00
  19  Calcium  g  7898.09  7013.54
  20  Phosphorus  g  2467.86  3135.55
  34  Ca Ratio  -  3.20  2.24
  21  Salt, Added  g  3175.18  3628.78
  22  Potassium  g  11299.69  7549.77
                    23  Sulfur  g  1452.87  1952.76
                    Nutrient Amount
  24  Magnesium  g  1809.06  1648.20
  107  Thiamin  mg  158.76  181.44
  25  Zinc  mg  36038.28  41186.61
  26  Iron  mg  117791.13  134618.44
  27  Copper  mg  11906.92  13607.91
  28  Manganese  mg  23813.84  27215.82
  29  Cobalt  mg  873.17  997.91
  30  Iodine  mg  587.41  671.32
  31  Selenium  mg  198.45  226.80
  225  Zinc, Org  mg  17939.76  20502.58
  227  Copper, Org  mg  6191.60  7076.11
 
  Nutrient Analysis (DM %)

  1  Dry Matter  %  88.05  88.50
  2  Crude Protein  %  16.67  16.27
  14  TDN  %  77.03  74.81
  9  NEg  Mcal/cwt  54.77  52.10
  10  NEm  Mcal/cwt  83.64  80.57
  41  Fat  %  3.36  4.76
  48  Roughage  -  29.97  7.46
  19  Calcium  %  0.99  0.87
  20  Phosphorus  %  0.31  0.39
  34  Ca Ratio  -  3.20  2.24
  22  Potassium  %  1.41  0.94
  23  Sulfur  %  0.18  0.24
  21  Salt, Added  %  0.40  0.45
  25  Zinc  ppm  45.12  51.30
  27  Copper  ppm  14.91  16.95
  16  Vit A  IU/lb  1987.51  2259.81
  17  Vit D  IU/lb  298.13  338.97
  18  Vit E  IU/lb  4.97  5.65
 

 

[amss101]

I am by NO means any kind of expert, shoot you can barely consider us amateurs but we tried this too.  We found in small portions it didn't save us any money but we weren't mixing by the ton.  Just by the day basically.  We based our % off of the other feed ration tags but if you look up their website those guys are good about talking with you.

 

[Jill]

It was cheaper for us, but we are buying 6 ton at a time, may not be as economical if feeding 1 or 2, if you have your own grain available it will be much cheaper.

 

[CAB]

  Your area Purina dealer has flyers available with a variety of rations to fit your area of the country and the feedstuffs that are typically used in your area.

 

[kanshow]

The information our Purina dealer had would only take the ration up to about 12.5% protein. 

 

[yousesteers]

T b he show chow website has some rations

http://www.honorshowchow.com/honorshowchowfeeds_hsc.php

 

[Steer Boy 101]

We use Ration #5 i dont have te numberss  in front of me but (dont quote me) its somthing like 8 bags of show chow, we also add 2 bags beet pulp, 1 or two barly, 50 pounds of liquid fat (similar to sweet tooth which is purinas mollassas) and 4 or 5 oats and then i wanna say 400 pounds corn. bags are 50 pounds so the math come out accordinly. its an awsome ration we love it its expensive but cheaper than compleet feed. its the way to go

 

[farwest]

T b he show chow website has some rations

http://www.honorshowchow.com/honorshowchowfeeds_hsc.php

Looking at those suggested rations if you were wanting to keep it simple the corn, oats, molasses, fortifier would be good and the corn, oats, cotton seed, molasses, fortifier for a grower would be good and economical.  Does anyone know about what the price is per bag of the purina fortifier, thanks

 

[farwest]

I'm gonna ask again if anyone knows the approximate price on purina fotifyer so it will go back to the top, thanks.

 

[redwingfarm]

We started using Grand 4 T Fyer this year and are really impressed with the results
here are a couple of mixes I'm using

STARTER
810    corn
260  oats
250  barley
400 Grand 4TFyer
175  Liq. Mollassis
15  Soybean meal
90  Cotton seed hull pellets
2000# total      13.2% protein  12.1% fiber  5.3%  fat

Grower now that it is colder
1000  corn
240  oats
100  barley
400  Grand 4TFyer
100  Cotton seed hulls
160  Mollassis
2000# total  12.7% protein  12.1% fiber  4.9% fat

 

[CAB]

Jamie, Email Rob Long from Long SM. He'll get you whatever info that you need. He is a dist, rep for purina and a very good one. They show cattle all over and he would know what works best for different aps. I can help you get his #s if you need. Rob would have a Creston or Orient Ia. Ph #. Brent