Health Care in US.... EEKKK (NC)

[Show Heifer]

A few months back, we had a discussion on here about why some of us do not want "universal health care."  A few Canadians questioned what was so bad about it since they have it in their country. Well, I finally found the stats I was struggling to put my finger on. 
I was also wondering how everyone was going to feel if the democrats pull off the "pass it without a real vote". Yes, somehow the senate can actually pass a bill without voting on it...(I do not know what it is called. Maybe Knabe can help me there). 

They want universal health care?  A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health  Organization.
  Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after> diagnosis:
      U.S.            65%
    England      46%
    Canada        42%
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received  treatment within six months:
      U.S.            93%
    England      15%
    Canada        43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
      U.S.            90%
      England      15%
    Canada        43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one  month:
      U.S.            77%
    England      40%
    Canada        43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per
million people:
        U.S.            71
      England      14
    Canada        18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
      U.S.            12%
    England      2%
      Canada        6%
  I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare"
comparable to England or Canada .

 

[BIGTEX]

The Democrats willingness to go agaisnt the majority of American people is unbeliveable! Pelosi makes me want to PUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[forcheyhawk]

I hadn't seen those stats.  Thanks for including that!  I sent it out to every Democrat I know (course a few of them don't want public option either).

  <beer>

 

[farwest]

Like it or not, the senate health care bill will become law in the next 10 days.  Obama has gotten in way to deep.  Theres no way out.  He fails on health care, he totally fails as a president.  It's what he ran on , with a totally demoratic controlled washington it will be an embarrassmet not to get something.  If it passes , him and alot of other democrats are screwed also come election time.  It's a double edged sword for him now, i'm sure he wish he would have never heard of government health care bill...

 

[ELBEE]

What will health care reform cost Scientoligists?

 

[farwest]

Cost wise it may not matter.  Us with insurance are paying for the uninsurd now.  Next the government will pay theirtab, then we pick up te tab throgh taxes  .we may pay twice if there still is no result of control of premiums and health costs.  The head scratcher to me on the whole thing is how can anyone be for bill that taxes  for 4 years before the first low income person is covered with this government health care.  Any one that doesn't see a red flag there is an idiot. 

 

[Jill]

Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ". it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."
The whole thing is scary!

 

[knabe]

What will health care reform cost Scientoligists?

god

 

[kanshow]

Jill, That is the part that scares me the most about it.  They are now 'fixing' their bills so they can never be changed.    What kind of world are we living in? 

 

[justintime]

I am not sure what stats to believe anymore. As I have said on this topic before, I think that the best health care systems in the world are somewhere between the US and Canadian systems. Some European countries have health models that seen to be effective, efficient, and provide health coverage to everyone.

Here are some stats I pulled off the World Health Organization website. I am not sure if I agree with them all, but this is what some of their studies have shown:

Average life spans     Male               Female

Canada                            80.2                80.9 ( must be our clean air and our less stress about healthcare)
UK                                    77.2                81.6
USA                                  75.6                80.8

The WHO ( World Health Organization) report says " A 2001 study found that medical debt contibuted to 68% of all personal bankrupties in the US. More money per person is spent on health care in the US than in any other nation of the world. A greater percentage of total income in the nation is spent in health care in the US than in any United Nations member except for East Timor. Despite the fact that 85% of Americans have health coverage, the US has the largest public health care expenditure per capita of the UN member nations.

In a 2005 WHO study, they ranked the US health care system as the highest in cost, #1 for responsiveness, 37th for overall performance, and 72nd for overall level of health care. A 2008 study done by the Commonwealth Fund ( whoever they are ) ranked the US last in quality of care amongst 19 countries in the study.

It also states in the WHO report that the US has the highest infant mortality rate in all of the world's industrialized nations.  

Like I said at the start of my comments, I don't know what statistics to believe anymore. If you look long enough you can find a study somewhere that says what you want it to say.

 

[ELBEE]

JIT?  Clean air. or Scotch whiskey?

 

[ELBEE]

Those Appalchians Hillbillies beat our national average by at least 10 years! ;D

 

[ratmama2]

I heard this morning on the news that everyone will have to pay 10% of their income to pay for their insurance. If you make $40,000 you will pay $4000. I don't know about you all but I don't pay that now and I think it is Bull!!!!!

 

[SWMO]

Try getting a fax or phone call through to anyone on the "Hill" today.  Absolutely impossible.  Especially for those democrates that are on the fence.