Heat Wave passes away

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lowann

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doublestuff said:
people can say what they want to about the bulls inabiility to sire females or the ability to sire crippled calves but to me there is no question Heatwave is the greatest club calf sire of all time. Maybe one day we will see another one as dominant as he was(is) but honestly I doubt it. He is the Micheal Jordan of the business. There will be a some down the road that will draw comparisons and for years people will want to replace him as the best ever ( Kobe, LeBron) but its probably not gonna happen if it does for a long long time. We have been fortunate enuf to have been a part of his legacy and I know his offspring will continue to prosper via clones for years to come. Rest in Peace Heatwave.

Well said, and true.
We have two Heat Wave Daughters that I wouln't part with for anything, might be an exeption to the norm, but we have had great luck with ours.
I too feel fortunate to have lived to see what this bull has done for the cattle industry.
It will take one Hell of a bull to replace him, and I doubt I will live long enough to see another bull do what he has done.
 

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FutureBreeder said:
I agree with you there.

Im kinda hoping the clones stop coming out theres like 12 of em right?

I agree too. Heat Wave was an amazing bull but isnt part of being a livestock producer ( or any kind of producer) to make the next generation better then the one before? If we just keep making a copy of something thats really good then we are not really moving forward. Just something to think about.

Enjoy your green pastures Heat Wave, you've earned them
 

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We have had our ups and downs with heatwave,
Our fat steers have been awesome while our females have not.
When used right this bull produces exactly what he was bred for.
For me he has earned a spot along side
Ildeno
Sugar Ray
Heat Seaker
and
Who Made Who
as Clubby Bull Icons.
 

trevorgreycattleco

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Thank the Lord. RIP ol fella. He may have been the Michael Jordan for you show guys but don't say your waiting for the next LeBron! You may get a bull that just runs to another pasture when the pressure of breeding season comes around.
 

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I was talking about this with Daddy today, ya'll reckon he ever actually bred a cow?
 

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He sired multitudes of th cattle across the world. He will be in every genetic textbook in the world in the genetic defect section and partuition assist techniques.
 

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Does anybody know who took 1.5 days in the "How Long Till AJ Uses the Thread to Slam Clubby Cattle" pool? 

I got blown out of the water on it.  I took two hours but was actually tempted to take one.
 

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Seriously.....how many th carriers can be traced back to him? More than doublestuff? How many units of semen sold on him? I would suggest that due to modern A.I. that he has sired more genetic lethal cattle than any bull in history. How many cows did he put down. Do you think the humane society goofballs are going to present him and his breeders an award? I would think it would interesting for him to have his own herdbook. Are there any heatseeker sons who were th free and really any good? Not saying its good or bad but he was the perfect storm. You could breed him to a longhorn cow and raise a good stout one. He made club calf people out out of anyone who bought semen.....and in a hurry.
 

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Which Angus bull? St Louis lad sired a bunch of dwarfism in the Herford breed (he was born in what...189something). Is there an angus bull that sold this much semen? GAR precesion?
 

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If you want to talk about carriers being traced back to bulls, G A R Precision 1680 has no equal.  Between the extreme size of the breed, the popularity of his sons within that breed, and the fact that he's actually the original source of one of the major defects of that breed there's no way a bull of any other breed could compare.
 

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Jeff_Schroeder said:
If you want to talk about carriers being traced back to bulls, G A R Precision 1680 has no equal.  Between the extreme size of the breed, the popularity of his sons within that breed, and the fact that he's actually the original source of one of the major defects of that breed there's no way a bull of any other breed
could compare.
Not taking sides either way, but I have to ask the question: Have the Angus breeders used Precision specifically to perpetuate the defect in their herd like clubby breeders have done with Heatwave and his carrier sons and clones?
 

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Hindsight being 20/20, I don't think any of us would turn down the opportunity to own Heat Wave and make the money he made for Lautners.  This issue was beat to death a long time ago on here, but I also don't think any of us would have managed the bull any differently despite his structural problems. 

The criticism to be made isn't of Heat Wave and his owners - its of the college professors the judge shows.  Heat Wave was the absolute best at producing what they wanted us to.
 

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I think the difference is that it a carrier is considered to be a better animal by some.  No advantage to curly calf.  I would say this is more similar to the Impressive QH lines that carried HYPP.  It can add one heck of a butt on a halter horse.  Many breeders would breed for it.   LF

When Heatwave worked he really worked.  When he missed it was by a mile.  The ones I saw that worked were out of clean, larger, sound, simangus cattle.  

Once a bull works well and the price of semen goes up then the bull is used less on just cows and more on donors and the best cows.   This would tend to lead to better calves and improve the bulls reputation.  My question is does this factor into the decision of people to use a sire?  How does this effect future sales?  Any discussion?
 

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chambero said:
.....The criticism to be made isn't of Heat Wave and his owners - its of the college professors the judge shows.  Heat Wave was the absolute best at producing what they wanted us to.

Amen
 

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The criticism to be made isn't of Heat Wave and his owners - its of the college professors the judge shows.  Heat Wave was the absolute best at producing what they wanted us to.
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.... and just when will someone be strong enough to select real working cattlemen to judge some of these shows? I really enjoy seeing a judge that can place a class and then go to the microphone and explain why he placed the class the way he did... in understandable language and not just that "canned ridiculous lingo" that many of them use. When I hear that anymore... my brain starts to shut down as I know that this judge probably hasn't had actual hands on cattle experience in several years. I don't want to lump all college trained judges together, as some of them are excellent judges and down to earth cattlemen, but I suspect some I see judging, would go broke in a heartbeat, if they ever had to make a living working with cattle. And these same people dictate what a good animal looks like to everyone who listens to them
 

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Chambero and Justintime are both right on track - I always thought that the market animal shows for youth were supposed to be hands on learning projects to produce what was the "ideal" market animal of any species that can be commercially reproduced - granted the Heatwave "kind" are interesting to look at, have bred them, but not practical cattle at all for a long list of reasons - I often wonder who decided that the college professor kinds of guys were the "experts" to get to judge cattle shows?  And then how they figured that the square made kinds of cattle could come out of a round hole?  And then have the nerve to stand at the mike at wax poetic about how that kind was ideal for the industry.  Unfortunately as Justintime expresses, it just shows their cattle ignorance.  They never think about what kind of calf that it takes to mature into an animal like that massive fat steer, as they have little to no experience "in the field", they just have  the belt buckle and the big hat.

But I must admit that when I saw Heatwave on display at Denver I would have never expected such a cow-killer.  I really liked him and and started using the semen early on and boy was I surprised when they started calving.


 

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anyone think it will ever come down to them wanting to keep the genetics going and start cloning the clones?
 
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