Heifers selling and retaining 1/2 embryo interest ?

[jd720]

I`ve been seeing several heifers selling that the seller is retaining 1/2 embryo interest lately. I would like to know how that works. If we flush the cow we have to send 1/2 the embryos to the seller every time or is it just if you sell the embryos ? Is the seller responsible for 1/2 the cost of the flush since they get 1/2 the embryos ? It seems there are more times this is being done now and I am just trying to understand it.

 

[Doc]

I`ve been seeing several heifers selling that the seller is retaining 1/2 embryo interest lately. I would like to know how that works. If we flush the cow we have to send 1/2 the embryos to the seller every time or is it just if you sell the embryos ? Is the seller responsible for 1/2 the cost of the flush since they get 1/2 the embryos ? It seems there are more times this is being done now and I am just trying to understand it.

Yes , if you flush the cow then they get 1/2 the embryo's wether you flush for selling or keeping. They are also responsible for 1/2 of all costs associated with the flush and freezing. Lot's of times they never ask for the animal to be flushed or if you want to flush then sometimes they say , they aren't interested in any of the eggs. Sometimes it is just a ploy to make you think they are worth more because they are wanting to keep part interest.
It's not always a bad deal depending on who is selling . Sometimes they have a better marketing plan and you can get some advertisement from having full sibs.

 

[Bulldaddy]

I agree with Doc that it can be a marketing ploy to make people think the female is worth more than she really is.  Most likely the only way the seller will push for those embryos is if the female produces some very valuable progeny.

 

[frostback]

Whenever I see any kinda terms like embryo interest or cloning rights I skip right on by. I want to buy the animal and all her potential, if you think that highly of her keep her but I dont want partners of any kind.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Whenever I see any kinda terms like embryo interest or cloning rights I skip right on by. I want to buy the animal and all her potential, if you think that highly of her keep her but I dont want partners of any kind.

Totally agree.

If you want to sell her, sell her, if you want to keep her, keep her.

It's the same as a trader keeping the best calves for himself and selling you what's left.

If you think she will be good, keep the embryos yourself and sell them later.

 

[Bradenh]

I don't know that I agree with that theory I know for example im just getting my feet under me with raising and selling these things and Im where I'd like to sell heifer calves out of my best females to pay for expenses and help pay for their mothers and offer the best I can produce while also try to build a set of cows and a herd with my own genetics

So when I offer my first set of embryo calves this spring Id like to be able to retain one flush down the road to help make my expansion easier and also offer my best cattle

I don't like the partner idea or spitting merchandise I paid for, but it's not alwaus a bad idea to have someone else market or in my case attempt to salvage generics especially if the calf is of rare breeding

Just the other side of the coin for discussion

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Whenever I see any kinda terms like embryo interest or cloning rights I skip right on by. I want to buy the animal and all her potential, if you think that highly of her keep her but I dont want partners of any kind.
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[Part Timer]

I was thinking about selling some embryo's but retaining 100% of the resulting calves. Anybody interested? (thumbsup)

 

[Jive Turkey]

I was thinking about selling some embryo's but retaining 100% of the resulting calves. Anybody interested? (thumbsup)

(lol)

 

[Bradenh]

Probably why your alias is part timer <beer>

 

[Jive Turkey]

Probably why your alias is part timer <beer>

(clapping)

 

[Steve123]

This one has always made me scratch my head.  1/2 interest females seem to bring the same dollar amount as full interest females. But I have to give up half the resulting revenue.  I think it should be that you bid full price to establish a "Value" and then you pay half of that to the seller. This would create a true half interest purchase and a true revenue sharing relationship.

 

[sackshowcattle]

I think its getting a little out of hand. I have seen sales were the breeders retain the right to 1 to 3 flushes on every heifer sold. Now some want 1/2 intrest in embryo sales in the future. I will not buy calves this way. I see posts on how most of them never collect on it, but what if your that family that paid good money for a good calf. You fed them right, busted your butt in the barn, and spent the money running a cooler to win a show. Now the breeder steps in and wants part of the glory on your investment and hard work. My feeling has always been if I'm buying something I buy all of it. With the prices of calves a new truck would be a good comparison. How many people would buy a truck if they knew the dealer retained the right to split miles they can put on it after 50000 miles. Dependent upon how well you maintained it. If you kept the inside clean the out side waxed and kept it well maintained they are more likely to collect on half the miles they can put on it.

 

[Mill Iron A]

One thing to distinguish is sales vs private treaty. We have had females for sale pt and the buyer wanted to pay a little less and have us keep half embryo interest. So it's not just the seller demanding the half option.

 

[hclubcalves]

Probably why your alias is part timer <beer>

 
 
Lol Zing  (clapping)

 

[justintime]

I am seeing more and more people skipping right on by any females where the seller is retaining the right to a flush or a embryo interest. More and more people do not want to have the hassle of having to deal with this in the future. I agree that some sellers are retaining these interests, in an attempt to make their female appear to be more valuable, but I think in many cases, it is backfiring on them. The only times it seems to work is one a few of the very top females in the breed.
I also see the same thing happening with bulls where the seller is retaining a semen interest or a share in the semen sales. I used to do this occasionally myself, but have completely stopped doing this for the past several years. I hear more and more bull buyers saying, that they are not interested if the seller is retaining any part. There are probably several reasons for this. I have just decided that if I want to use a bull I have sold, in my herd, I should be able to purchase some semen from the new owner or try to buy the bull back some time in the future. Buyers are becoming very selective and that is their right.