Help Me Vote Obama Out

[knabe]

who has the right to be offended?

 

[RyanChandler]

So you support Gay Marrige...HHMM

When a Farmer/Rancher goes this direction you really do have to ask yourself ''what is this world coming to''

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from governmentorany authoritarian power.

Absolutely! But like Zach said, its none of my damn business what you or anyone else does in the privacy of their own home.  Who the hell are you to deny someone their own pursuit of happiness?   Just because I support an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that I necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the way you treat somebody. The Government should not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

I also believe only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. I favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.  The government should be kept out of all personal matters. The question should be left to each person for their conscientious consideration.

If man can't govern himself, how can he govern others!?

 

[Mueller Show Cattle]

Well I have a right to be offended and voice my opinion. I don't agree with it and never will. What I have more of a problem with is Mr. Obama trying to take the power away from the states. I live in a conservative state and don't have to worry about my state allowing or recognizing gay marriage unless they try to take that power away from the state. Another thing I did not support was gays in the military or at least there policy "Don't ask don't tell", well Mr. Obama changed that also. There is not any change that he has given us that I like. Mr. Obama will not be happy to he turns this into a communist country, this country can not take another 4 years of his change and that is the bottom line, hope America wakes up. I served this country in the military and still serve it as a police officer, I love my country and hate to see this so called president destroying it as our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The day they take the rights from the people is the day I become an outlaw.

 

[SmithNorthside]

Well I have a right to be offended and voice my opinion. I don't agree with it and never will. What I have more of a problem with is Mr. Obama trying to take the power away from the states. I live in a conservative state and don't have to worry about my state allowing or recognizing gay marriage unless they try to take that power away from the state. Another thing I did not support was gays in the military or at least there policy "Don't ask don't tell", well Mr. Obama changed that also. There is not any change that he has given us that I like. Mr. Obama will not be happy to he turns this into a communist country, this country can not take another 4 years of his change and that is the bottom line, hope America wakes up. I served this country in the military and still serve it as a police officer, I love my country and hate to see this so called president destroying it as our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The day they take the rights from the people is the day I become an outlaw.
[/quote VERY well said BIG M SHOW CATTLE (clapping)]

 

[OH Breeder]

Well I have a right to be offended and voice my opinion. I don't agree with it and never will. What I have more of a problem with is Mr. Obama trying to take the power away from the states. I live in a conservative state and don't have to worry about my state allowing or recognizing gay marriage unless they try to take that power away from the state. Another thing I did not support was gays in the military or at least there policy "Don't ask don't tell", well Mr. Obama changed that also. There is not any change that he has given us that I like. Mr. Obama will not be happy to he turns this into a communist country, this country can not take another 4 years of his change and that is the bottom line, hope America wakes up. I served this country in the military and still serve it as a police officer, I love my country and hate to see this so called president destroying it as our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The day they take the rights from the people is the day I become an outlaw.

I hate to comment on this stuff. Seriously absolutely.
BUT if you are going to say we are turning into a communist country then your statements are contradictory. Giving more rights to the individual is NOT communist. You wouldn't be able to voice what you just voiced in a communist country. Our fore fathers escaped persecution for many reasons and i am sure the last thing they wanted the government doing was regulating MARRIAGE or peoples sexual behavior. What people do behind close doors is NONE of my business. I could careless. The bigger issue is that people care what is going on behind close doors in the privacy of peoples homes.

 

[RyanChandler]

Well I have a right to be offended and voice my opinion. I don't agree with it and never will. What I have more of a problem with is Mr. Obama trying to take the power away from the states. I live in a conservative state and don't have to worry about my state allowing or recognizing gay marriage unless they try to take that power away from the state. Another thing I did not support was gays in the military or at least there policy "Don't ask don't tell", well Mr. Obama changed that also. There is not any change that he has given us that I like. Mr. Obama will not be happy to he turns this into a communist country, this country can not take another 4 years of his change and that is the bottom line, hope America wakes up. I served this country in the military and still serve it as a police officer, I love my country and hate to see this so called president destroying it as our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The day they take the rights from the people is the day I become an outlaw.
[/quote VERY well said BIG M SHOW CATTLE (clapping)]

Everything this simpleton proposes, supports taking "rights from the people." He's so wound up in his puritanical mantra, he fails to see the bigotry and hate spewing from his mouth.  An American soldier that never grasped the true meaning of Liberty and FREEDOM. Ironic.

Protect and serve? Sounds more like govern and control -

 

[farmboy]

The day they take the rights from the people is the day I become an outlaw.

You say that, yet you don't want Gays to have the right to get married or even be in the military?  There are plenty of homosexuals who have DIED IN WAR to defend the same freedoms you served for and how you can discriminate against those same people (In The United States of America, Land Of The Free <rock>) is beyond me.  

Give me one good reason LGBT folks aren't entitled to happiness.

 

[knabe]

Being straight is offensive..

Being straight and having a word to describe a straight relationship should not be allowed.

It might make someone happy. 

 

[Mueller Show Cattle]

Well I have a right to be offended and voice my opinion. I don't agree with it and never will. What I have more of a problem with is Mr. Obama trying to take the power away from the states. I live in a conservative state and don't have to worry about my state allowing or recognizing gay marriage unless they try to take that power away from the state. Another thing I did not support was gays in the military or at least there policy "Don't ask don't tell", well Mr. Obama changed that also. There is not any change that he has given us that I like. Mr. Obama will not be happy to he turns this into a communist country, this country can not take another 4 years of his change and that is the bottom line, hope America wakes up. I served this country in the military and still serve it as a police officer, I love my country and hate to see this so called president destroying it as our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The day they take the rights from the people is the day I become an outlaw.
[/quote VERY well said BIG M SHOW CATTLE (clapping)]

Everything this simpleton proposes, supports taking "rights from the people." He's so wound up in his puritanical mantra, he fails to see the bigotry and hate spewing from his mouth.  An American soldier that never grasped the true meaning of Liberty and FREEDOM. Ironic.

Protect and serve? Sounds more like govern and control -

XBAR, you are totally lost or need some serious help, you have no clue what it means to protect and serve or serve your country. Yes Obama would like to govern and control while take the rights from the people, that is real common to see. I did not say we were turning into a communist country, I said Obama would like to turn us into a Communist country, it is the people standing up to our rights and the constitution that would stop it. Bigotry? Huh all to well, Bigotry to you most be saying I don't support it, I did not put any hate into it, saying I don't support it and never will, big hate there XBAR, like I said you don't have a clue. For the same I can say that you are a bigot for anything that you don't agree with or anyone you don't agree with. Just because I served my country with pride and my community with integrity does not mean I have to agree with your ate up beliefs. Zach I never said that gays did not die for this country and don't deserve happiness either, I just said that I did not support them changing the way the military was with the don't ask don't tell. They have had the same freedoms, if they wanted to get married, go a state that allows it. But long story short this should be in the voters hands then we will see if you are in the minority or not. Rite now the voters had no voice in this.

 

[nate53]

What the hell is wrong with gay marriage? Is it any of your business and does it directly affect the way you live? I'd really like to hear you answer to these questions.

1.  Bible says it's a no no!
2.  Does it directly affect the way I live?  No but it does directly affect the way a lot of kids are brought up and hence affects future generations choices on what is right and wrong.  What is the big deal on gay's getting married (why is it so important to gays - serious ? why?).  I will not treat anyone unfairly because of their sex, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc., but I also refuse to support the destruction of marriage as I know it.
This discussion isn't about what people are doing behind closed doors, it's about what people are trying to shove in other's faces and saying this is okay and I need special treatment.
If you want to be gay that is your choice, but marriage is between a man and a woman (move on already).
3.  Take a look at abortion - once upon a time no one could think about killing a baby but a couple generations later its pro choice and women's rights and getting rid of the problem (every one's rights are looked at but the babies).  Pets today have more rights that unborn babies.

XBAR -   If man can't govern himself, how can he govern others!?  Are you saying we shouldn't have any laws and everyone will live in perfect harmony?
How is this country different now than it was in 1776 besides the technology?  Where did we go wrong?                   My answer- We the people have changed and not in a good way, we have lost sight of what is important and our morals, we are so in love with ourselves and our own rights that we have forgotten whats most important and have lost our way.  No one is perfect.  We have taken God's word out of every part of society because it might be offensive to someone somewhere (no wonder we are in decline). 

Knabe - I think we should take away your posting ability! ;D

Big M - I agree with most of what you have said.

 

[knabe]

Knabe - I think we should take away your posting ability! ;D

kneel before Zod

it's a heavy cross to bear to have to handicap one's posting ability.

what should the penalty be for bigotry?  throughout history, it's been death.  careful what you wish for.

 

[farmboy]

1.  Bible says it's a no no!
2.  Does it directly affect the way I live?  No but it does directly affect the way a lot of kids are brought up and hence affects future generations choices on what is right and wrong.  What is the big deal on gay's getting married (why is it so important to gays - serious ? why?).  I will not treat anyone unfairly because of their sex, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc., but I also refuse to support the destruction of marriage as I know it.
This discussion isn't about what people are doing behind closed doors, it's about what people are trying to shove in other's faces and saying this is okay and I need special treatment.
 If you want to be gay that is your choice, but marriage is between a man and a woman (move on already).
3.  Take a look at abortion - once upon a time no one could think about killing a baby but a couple generations later its pro choice and women's rights and getting rid of the problem (every one's rights are looked at but the babies).  Pets today have more rights that unborn babies.

XBAR -   If man can't govern himself, how can he govern others!?  Are you saying we shouldn't have any laws and everyone will live in perfect harmony?
How is this country different now than it was in 1776 besides the technology?  Where did we go wrong?                   My answer- We the people have changed and not in a good way, we have lost sight of what is important and our morals, we are so in love with ourselves and our own rights that we have forgotten whats most important and have lost our way.  No one is perfect.

Knabe - I think we should take away your posting ability! ;D

Big M - I agree with most of what you have said.

What if i told you christianity didn't invent Marriage. What if I told you there a lot of things the bible says is bad but I GUARANTEE that you and the other bible thumpers will choose to overlook. A girl who has sex before marriage is stoned to death. Selling your daughter to her rapist for 50 shekels? Have a tattoo? Wearing mixed cloth today? The bible condones heinous things and is filled with rape and murder and death. Marriage is NOT a religious institution unless the couple make it into one.

2.  

Does it directly affect the way I live?  No but it does directly affect the way a lot of kids are brought up and hence affects future generations choices on what is right and wrong .  What is the big deal on gay's getting married (why is it so important to gays - serious ? why?).

Suppose the government says you can't marry the person you LOVE, how does it feel? I know you won't consider the possibility because you've already proved to be a bigot.

I will not treat anyone unfairly because of their sex, race, sexual orientation, religion, etc., but I also refuse to support the destruction of marriage as I know it.

You know marriage has been around for thousands of years. Actually if you do some digging you will see that it was always arranged between the fathers of the families for a gain in wealth and political ties. You won't treat anyone unfairly because of their sexual orientation, but you also won't recognize you're a hypocrite.

This discussion isn't about what people are doing behind closed doors, it's about what people are trying to shove in other's faces and saying this is okay and I need special treatment.

Have you ever known a gay person? My guess is no. I know a few and let me tell you, these people are normal, hard working AMERICANS just like the rest of us. Nobody is shoving gay marriage down your throat. Its people like you shoving your beliefs down their throats!

If you want to be gay that is your choice, but marriage is between a man and a woman (move on already).

Citizenship, voting rights, equal opportunities are only for White Males. (Move on already) - 1950's

3.  Take a look at abortion - once upon a time no one could think about killing a baby but a couple generations later its pro choice and women's rights and getting rid of the problem (every one's rights are looked at but the babies).  Pets today have more rights that unborn babies.

God forbid you give a shot of lutalayse

How is this country different now than it was in 1776 besides the technology?  Where did we go wrong?                   My answer- We the people have changed and not in a good way, we have lost sight of what is important and our morals, we are so in love with ourselves and our own rights that we have forgotten whats most important and have lost our way.  No one is perfect.

I'm sure black folk appreciate the fact it isn't 1776. Women to actually. Actually anyone who isn't a white male in the USA probably does. Love your brother, Nate.

 

[knabe]

this is pretty funny if you aren't a bigot.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3083/egypt-christians-convert-pay-tribute-leave

According to the popular Egyptian website, El Bashayer, Muhammad Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood presidential candidate, just declared that he will "achieve the Islamic conquest (fath) of Egypt for the second time, and make all Christians convert to Islam, or else pay the jizya," the additional Islamic tax, or financial tribute, required of non-Muslims, or financial tribute.

people should be equal opportunity offenders.  if people are going to not understand the bible, then they need to not understand the koran as well.  lots of americans spend way too much time worrying about christians and zero time worrying about muslims. time to stand up and spread the analysis around equally.  i guess one could get killed if they did that, so better not, it's too risky to have principle and consistency.

 

[LostFarmer]

So you support Gay Marrige...HHMM

When a Farmer/Rancher goes this direction you really do have to ask yourself ''what is this world coming to''

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from governmentorany authoritarian power.

Absolutely! But like Zach said, its none of my damn business what you or anyone else does in the privacy of their own home.  Who the hell are you to deny someone their own pursuit of happiness?   Just because I support an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that I necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the way you treat somebody. The Government should not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

I also believe only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. I favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.  The government should be kept out of all personal matters. The question should be left to each person for their conscientious consideration.

If man can't govern himself, how can he govern others!?

I agree with this so long as we the people do not have to pay the cost.  For example, you have every right to recreational drug use but you forfeit your right to state medicare.  Have sex all you want but don't ask me to pay for the abortion or pay to raise your child.  Drink all you want but you drive afterwards don't be surprised if you get piped daylight for 20 years. 

In short you can make all the choices you want but don't ask me to pay the bailout.  Cause and effect needs to be the rule.  You can't legislate morality we shouldn't try, just don't ask me to foot the bill. 

 

[RyanChandler]

Nate,

1. I'm not concerned with what your bible says. What part of, "our Founders mandated a strict separation of church and state," don't you understand??  There's no room in my life for the imposition of your religious convictions.

2. I embrace the fact that all people are born with certain inherent rights.  Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual's human right based upon sex,wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs.

3. Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, the government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their own conscientious consideration. My support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that I necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices.


The only purpose of the government and our laws should be to protect the rights of every individual. Criminal laws should be limited to violation of the rights of others through force or fraud, or deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at risk.

 

[LostFarmer]

this is pretty funny if you aren't a bigot.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3083/egypt-christians-convert-pay-tribute-leave

According to the popular Egyptian website, El Bashayer, Muhammad Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood presidential candidate, just declared that he will "achieve the Islamic conquest (fath) of Egypt for the second time, and make all Christians convert to Islam, or else pay the jizya," the additional Islamic tax, or financial tribute, required of non-Muslims, or financial tribute.

people should be equal opportunity offenders.  if people are going to not understand the bible, then they need to not understand the koran as well.  lots of americans spend way too much time worrying about christians and zero time worrying about muslims. time to stand up and spread the analysis around equally.  i guess one could get killed if they did that, so better not, it's too risky to have principle and consistency.

I agree like if mr. obama is a US citizen and born in the US then why did he go to school as a foreigner?  He is either not a citizen or he lied to get a scholarship.  Just equal accountability.  

 

[RyanChandler]

So you support Gay Marrige...HHMM

When a Farmer/Rancher goes this direction you really do have to ask yourself ''what is this world coming to''

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from governmentorany authoritarian power.

Absolutely! But like Zach said, its none of my damn business what you or anyone else does in the privacy of their own home.  Who the hell are you to deny someone their own pursuit of happiness?   Just because I support an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that I necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the way you treat somebody. The Government should not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships.

I also believe only actions that infringe on the rights of others can properly be termed crimes. I favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes.  The government should be kept out of all personal matters. The question should be left to each person for their conscientious consideration.

If man can't govern himself, how can he govern others!?

I agree with this so long as we the people do not have to pay the cost.  For example, you have every right to recreational drug use but you forfeit your right to state medicare.  Have sex all you want but don't ask me to pay for the abortion or pay to raise your child.  Drink all you want but you drive afterwards don't be surprised if you get piped daylight for 20 years. 

In short you can make all the choices you want but don't ask me to pay the bailout.  Cause and effect needs to be the rule.   You can't legislate morality we shouldn't try, just don't ask me to foot the bill. 

I don't support ANY entitlement programs.  Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security and welfare systems and transition to a private voluntary system.The most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. Society will become more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.

 

[knabe]

i guess i would have trademarked the word marriage.

if you remember your founding documents, there is no restriction on states having a state religion.  a couple actually did.

that would probably be too inconvenient to remember.

people keep forgetting the separation of the states and the federal government.

this allows bigots and hypocrites (everyone is a hypocrite) on both sides to be unto themselves if they choose and any imposition on that is bigotry and a form of tyranny.

everyone is so interested in telling someone else what to do or not do with regard to morality.

everyone seems to not be interested in islam, which is far more interesting with regard to freedom.

everyone is too scared to be dead to stand up and say what needs to be said.  that in a nutshell is reason enough for me to know it's hogwash.

 

[LostFarmer]

Nate,

1. I'm not concerned with what your bible says. What part of, "our Founders mandated a strict separation of church and state," don't you understand??  There's no room in my life for the imposition of your religious convictions.

2. I embrace the fact that all people are born with certain inherent rights.  Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual's human right based upon sex,wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs. your choice on how you raise those kids but don't ask the government to cover.  Feel free to participate in risky behavior but don't ask me to pay the bill.  

3. Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, the government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their own conscientious consideration. My support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that I necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices. Zygotes have no rights. The choice was made when little Johny and Suzy took off their pants a choice was made.  Once that choice was made the resultant consequences is no longer up for debate.  


The only purpose of the government and our laws should be to protect the rights of every individual. Criminal laws should be limited to violation of the rights of others through force or fraud, or deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at risk.

 

[knabe]

The only purpose of the government and our laws should be to protect the rights of every individual.

and to deny them to zygotes.  that's why it should be up to the states, instead of imposing bigotry to every state.  let people choose which set of inconsistent morals they want to live under.