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herefordfootball

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I would hate to threaten anybody, or anything like that, but if he doesnt get your papers, give him a couple more calls, emails, text messages, etc. and tell him if he doesnt get papers you'll just go public with his name telling your story and he will lose his name as  a reputable breeder. JMO, but I dont think I'd go back to that sale.
 

lowann

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Where in Iowa? God I hate it when this happens! I go above and beyond to get my buyers registration papers. No matter how the calf is eventually sold.
 

SKF

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lowann said:
Where in Iowa? God I hate it when this happens! I go above and beyond to get my buyers registration papers. No matter how the calf is eventually sold.

Preston
 

lynle1234

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Do you still have the sale catalog? what does it say in the catalog- reg pending or what?  Does it list what he could be registered as?  I would take this to the sale mgmt= they should be able to help resolve the issues. 
 

DLD

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Jill said:
DLD said:
These days, you can't just assume that registration papers go with every calf you buy, even if they're listed as purebred or "registerable".  An awful lot of breeders these days just won't mess with papers...

I 100% disagree with this statement, if you advertise a calf as "registerable" that is exactly what he should be, if you aren't willing to give papers on a calf don't lie to get them sold! 
 


Oh, I agree with you - registerable should mean they come with papers, I'm just saying it sometimes doesn't.  Sometimes it means "you can register 'em if you want to, but I'm not going to".  I know it's not right, but alot of folks would just as soon the buyer go ahead and paper the calf themselves... Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just saying it happens.  Alot.
 

herefordfootball

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DLD said:
Jill said:
DLD said:
These days, you can't just assume that registration papers go with every calf you buy, even if they're listed as purebred or "registerable".  An awful lot of breeders these days just won't mess with papers...

I 100% disagree with this statement, if you advertise a calf as "registerable" that is exactly what he should be, if you aren't willing to give papers on a calf don't lie to get them sold! 
 


Oh, I agree with you - registerable should mean they come with papers, I'm just saying it sometimes doesn't.  Sometimes it means "you can register 'em if you want to, but I'm not going to".  I know it's not right, but alot of folks would just as soon the buyer go ahead and paper the calf themselves... Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just saying it happens.  Alot.

When you're paying thousands of dollars for calves, its the breeders responsibility to get PAPERS!!! It doesnt cost that much to get papers, if someone is giving you business you work your butt off to keep it. Thats my view of it.
 

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Jill said:
DLD said:
These days, you can't just assume that registration papers go with every calf you buy, even if they're listed as purebred or "registerable".  An awful lot of breeders these days just won't mess with papers...

I 100% disagree with this statement, if you advertise a calf as "registerable" that is exactly what he should be, if you aren't willing to give papers on a calf don't lie to get them sold! 

I also agree with Jill on this. If the calf is sold as registerable, there is NO QUESTION about it. The seller is responsible to supply the transferred registration papers... at least that is how it works in my world. These days most breeders are on whole herd reporting in most all breeds, so if this is the case, why is the seller not supplying the papers. If he is enrolled in the whole herd program, it should not cost him any extra to register and transfer this calf to the new owner. I would start by calling the breed association office. Explain what is happening, and let them know that you are very unhappy with this breeder's actions. Also find out if he is enrolled in the whole herd registration program and also ask the breed association to assist you in getting a solution, seeing you have gotten no response from the breeder.

If I were a judge and jury for a few days, breeders like this would have all their registration papers pulled. This is retarded!
 

DLD

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Look, I'm not disagreeing with any of you - if the calf was represented as having papers, it is without a doubt the breeders responsibility to provide them.  All I'm saying is that (1)there are people out there that just won't, and (2) you can't just assume that if a calf appears to you to be registerable by what you read or hear, you can't just assume that the breeder is planning on providing papers unless they (either in person or in the sale listing) say that they will,  and sometimes. you're just going to have to accept that. 

I'm not saying that I'd do that - if I tell you the calf will be registered, I'll register it.  But less than 25% of our cows are registered, and that 25% includes 5 different breeds - we don't keep up with whole herd reporting or even paying annual dues with all of them.  If and when we need to paper something, we'll pony up the dues, fees, penalties and all and get it done.  I know firsthand, it can get pretty expensive to just register one or two calves a year.  Some folks find themselves in this position, and just simply refuse to do it.  Again, I'm not saying I'd do that, or that I agree with it, I'm just saying that it's how it is.
 

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My biggest problem with this breeder is that he had no problem answering his phone when he was selling his calves and now he will not respond at all. When we bought the calf we were told he could be reg. I have no problem paying for the papers if money is an issue or filling it all out just wish he would return a phone call or email. Since posting this I have have heard from others and it seems that I am not the only one who has had this same problem with this breeder. I hate dealing with a breeder who will never return a phone call after they have your money. Its not good business I know that anyone who has bought a calf from me I will allways retun there calls if they have a question or problem. Personaly the breeders we stay in touch with are the first ones we check with when we are looking for a new calf and I will refer others to them. We have called and eamiled one last time and if he can not find the time I will be calling the breed association on Monday. 
 
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