Herbourne and the dam of the dam of Sutherland Titleist

[Okotoks]

Thanks XBAR, that is indeed a bull I'd be honored to use.
I encourage anyone to visit the Ragsdale Sutherland site and view the videos on the About Us page. http://sutherlandshorthorns.com/about_us.html

This photo is from "Shorthorn History". Is this Leader 21?

The white bull looks like Kinnaber Mr Thieman, a son of TPS Coronet Leader 21st. He is on the cover of the August 1973 Shorthorn World and there are a couple of more photos in ads inside that issue but none are the same photo.

 

[librarian]

That is funny, because I also took a picture of that red bull from 1929. Thanks r.n. for all the good information-I figured that was a great bull that we'd never the name of.
And I took this one, just for the cars.

 

[justintime]

Thanks XBAR, that is indeed a bull I'd be honored to use.
I encourage anyone to visit the Ragsdale Sutherland site and view the videos on the About Us page. http://sutherlandshorthorns.com/about_us.html

This photo is from "Shorthorn History". Is this Leader 21?

The white bull looks like Kinnaber Mr Thieman, a son of TPS Coronet Leader 21st. He is on the cover of the August 1973 Shorthorn World and there are a couple of more photos in ads inside that issue but none are the same photo.

Yes, the white bull is Kinnaber Mr Thieman. Many considered him to be the best son of TPS Coronet Leader 21st, but I think most everyone was quite disappointed in his calves. I am not sure why he did not breed that well. He was a very impressive bull. Mr Thieman sold to Smip Ranch, and they dispersed a few years after getting into the Shorthorn business and the Mr Thieman offspring sold very poorly in that sale.

 

[librarian]

Since we have wandered over to admiring Willingdon, here is an old picture of a Lincoln Red that I think is very similar. I think these bulls are super classy.
'Lincolnshire Red Shorthorn Bull - "Scampton Exile" winner of first prize at the R.A.S.E. And Lincolnshire shows, 1909'
http://www.antiquaprintgallery.com/lincs-red-shorthorn-bull-scampton-exile-winner-prize-rase-shows-1909-1912-169869-p.asp

 

[Duncraggan]

librarian, to digress slightly, have you ever noticed how small these older bulls testicles seem to be?
To take the last two pictures you posted:

• The bulls seem to be mature in the pictures
• It appears as if the pictures are taken in summer due to the slick hair

In my opinion, and judging by my personal standards, their scrotal circumferences should be greater than they appear for the conditions. What is your opinion?

 

[librarian]

I have wondered about this, especially on milking breeds. My opinion, based on all the old pictures I've looked at, is that considerable improvement has been made thru selection over the past 100 years.
If we judge them by their contemporaries, I'd make the observation that the farther north you go into Scotland, the bigger the testicles. No explanation necessary.

1. 'Welsh Bull - "Wern Goalkeeper" first at R.A.S.E. show, 1910'
2. 'Galloway Bull - "Excelsior" winner of first prize, H. & A. S. shows, 1901,1902 and 1903'
3. 'Aberdeen-Angus Bull-"Maramere" (18160), Breed Champion, R.A.S.E. And H. & A.S. shows, 1903;

 

[librarian]

I tried to get back on track and study on this information
his (Prophet) dam was Nelco Wild Lily 4th. Wild Lily 4 was straight Milking Shorthorn breeding as she was sired by Hilltop Lancer 457 ( a former US National Champion) and her dam was Wild Lily 2D. The Wild Lily family was bred in the Rorvig herd in North Dakota and this herd was probably one of the biggest sets of cows I have ever seen.
So I started looking at the dam of Lancer 457 and wondering about the Sandy Ridge herd.
I remembered the Nodak thread and there was the info on Sandy Ridge. That thread and this one kind of wind together.
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/nodak-king's-tradition/

But...we never got to see a picture of Nelco McLeod.

 

[Will]

Vic Taylor did own Herboure Buster and used him as a herd sire. Jack Bedwell at Okeene, OK had some daughters of Buster that were the grand dams of some of the heifers they showed in the 80's that won a lot including JB Donna's Bunnie that was grand at the Jr Nationals in the Early 80's.

We have a cow family that are decedents of the Bedwells Bunnie cow.  They are my favorite cows we own.  Milk good rebreed quickly and always raise a very good calf.  We have a first calf Bunnie that has a November I-80 heifer calf that we are very excited about. 

 

[cflem]

Will,  are you getting flooded?  Seen eastern Oklahoma had lots of rain. We missed most of it out in the panhandle. Only got maybe an inch of fluffy dry snow.

 

[Will]

We had record flooding. We got a little over 11 inches. Had one neighbor loose 150 cows. 

 

[cflem]

Sorry to hear about the flooding. They started in forecasting 18-24 inches of snow for us. Glad we didn't get much. We had 3 days of 30-40 mph winds that was miserable enough without a bunch of snow.