High percentage Maine bulls?

[knabe]

i'm up to 6 shots of paramount.

folks, this bull is a history lesson in pedigrees.

take a look


http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5A24202F25&9=5E5C505B

karma point for pointing out any offspring out of the sire of the most heavily used maine bull ever.

lots of other stuff in there as well for thickness, buret, dalton and other ingredients.

 

[xxcc]

Anyone have any suggestions for a High percent Maine bull that will add depth and bone that is non Sooner related?

MVH Black Master 45V.  Don't believe the milk numbers, muscley bulls tend to go that way, with the linebrededness toward the Epinal x Cette-La flushmates, he's got tons of milk, but also tons of growth.

The Goldstream bulls will give you bone and depth.  So will CD's Mr 51G. (  CDS MR 51G - 244260 )

I can try to think of some more, but I will come back to this.

 

[gates98]

I would suggest HAA New Level.  Despite his pedigree he sires lots of depth and has pretty good bone.  He is also low birth weight and calves have a great disposition.  We use him on all of our heifers that need body.

 

[Jill]

This is another option. Siewerts Revolution 39H. He is a power and muscle bull and might compliment those Sooners nicely.

Really like this bull, never heard of him, who has him?

 

[Telos]

Siewerts in Canada own him but he has been used quite extensively. His son in the second photo is out of the same cow as the Strictly Business bull BPF recently acquired. I personally like his son. Negative on both might  be calving ease.

 

[knabe]

Siewerts in Canada own him but he has been used quite extensively. His son in the second photo is out of the same cow as the Strictly Business bull BPF recently acquired. I personally like his son. Negative on both might  be calving ease.

WLW'S REVS MONEYMAN

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5A5927202222&9=5E5B5B5F

 

[justme]

wow some of you are throwing such old genetics at this guy.  Nothing wrong with old genetics to a point, but haven't we made some progress since 1989 (date in Denver photo)?  I personally, if its not a first calf heifer would look at Nelson's 26T2.  He's a clean HAA Contender son.  I have yet to see a bad calf out of him. 

 

[SHAGGY]

I agree, I think Maine genetics have come along way in the last few years. As some of these older bulls are legends and paved the way, i think you would be better off looking to some of the newer bulls for todays industry. I know they dont have a lot of progeny but i would take my chances with Mercedes Benz or I-80.

 

[DL]

While I think the MA has changed a lot since Strutt I am not sold on the direction the breed in the US is going and not particularly thrilled with any of the newer Maine bulls. For my money you can't beat Magic as a sire

 

[SHAGGY]

I totally disagree, I think they are finally going in the right direction, some of the older genetics just have to much frame and feed efficiency problems. When was the last time you ever heard of these older genetics directly in any cattle doing any winning, it been a LONG LONG time ago. Have you ever seen the I-80 bull? If you think that is the wrong direction i am confused.

 

[justme]

I believe some of these bulls had there place in history, but shouldn't they have given us some offspring to replace them and have improved the breed?  I will admit not to many new maine bulls have floated my boat lately.  I like how we've moderated some size, put more guts in our cattle, and made them more feed efficient.  I guess we should ask the original poster are you looking for "clubby" maines, maine show heifers, or commercial maines.  That will really define the type of bull they are looking for and if he or she is using the bull on a first calf heifer.

Cow-wise for an all around good calf that will fit many of the above markets I really like Nelson's 26T2
Heifer wise Major's Money Man or Gigolo Joe

If I wasn't afraid of a MaineTainer, try Dr. Who.  The steers are good, bulls look neat out of him, and its hard to beat a Dr. Who female in production of show cattle

All 4 of these bulls will get you a registerable calf, good chance of a show calf, and if not they will be marketable on the rail

Just my 2 cents and believe me it may not be worth much

 

[kanshow]

I don't know Gidget.  If you find a good thing why shouldn't you stick to it.  I liked the jeans I wore in 1989 (especially the size) why shouldn't I be able continue to wear them.    I hate change.  I want to stay the same.  Stagnant is good.

 

[CAB]

I think another reason to reach back is to grab some milking ability. There are so many bloodlines that are poor milkers that I want to reach back to get dependable maternal genetics.

 

[AAOK]

While I think the MA has changed a lot since Strutt I am not sold on the direction the breed in the US is going and not particularly thrilled with any of the newer Maine bulls. For my money you can't beat Magic as a sire

Right on DL!  But, I would also recommend FERRIS RCH STRUTT - 118925.  In the Summer of 1990 Glaen Ferris talked me into purchasing FR Sheena, the first Strutt daughter ever exhibited.  Not only was this cow big, but also extremely heavy boned, and deep bodied.  She was supposed to be bred to Gizmo, but we somehow ended up with a heifer sired by Splash (I believe the 1st Strutt son which was promoted).  Every Strutt calf I ever saw deep sided and had more than adequate bone.  Of course, when they're a frame 8, they may not appear that massive.

 

[Telos]

Glen Ferris was one of my best friends so I'm not going to POO-POO Strutt or Magic. We have come along ways since those two bulls. That said, my favorite new Maine bull is the ZNT Montego Bay. He just happens to be line bred to both Strutt and Magic. And I'll put him up against any bull for his soft pasterns, hip rotation, good angle in that hock attachment. And I mean all bulls of any breed.

I would like to see more breeders take some of these older/ passed up genetics that offer more outcross potential and make good out of them.

 

[DL]

Glen Ferris was one of my best friends so I'm not going to POO-POO Strutt or Magic. We have come along ways since those two bulls. That said, my favorite new Maine bull is the ZNT Montego Bay. He just happens to be line bred to both Strutt and Magic. And I'll put him up against any bull for his soft pasterns, hip rotation, good angle in that hock attachment. And I mean all bulls of any breed.

I would like to see more breeders take some of these older/ passed up genetics that offer more outcross potential and make good out of them.

One of my favorite cows is a Magic out of a Strutt cow - while the Stutts were pretty and big they were snotty. I like the Magic temperament better. Have a cow bred to Magic as we speak ....will have to check out Montego Bay (nice place too) but for Maines I am pretty retro