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justintime

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There are some very good cattle in every breed. I guess I was a bit disappointed with the Simmental in Denver. Maybe I was expecting too much, I don't know, but I felt there were too many females that I had to look twice to see if I was looking at a bull or female.I guess if they are retaining high fertility and other reproductive traits, it is not as big a deal, but I was suggest that caution be used in their quest to add thickness and volume at all cost. This can be done and still have the males masculine, and the females feminine, but it may take a little longer to get cattle like this in large numbers.  I will give Simmental breeders credit for changing a breed almost completely in a few short years. The Simmental breed is a completely different breed than it was even 10 - 15 years ago. Here where I live they are extremely popular, but in the past year, they have seemed to reached a place where they have to be really good to sell for high dollars. This can only be good for a breed, as one of the worst things that can happen to any breed, in regards to improving the overall quality in the breed, is to have too good of times.

For example, the Charolais breed experienced this exact thing for many years in Canada in particular. When I started our Charolais herd, very few bulls were ever castrated, as you could sell each and every male calf for breeding purposes regardless of their quality. For several years, there was no nature incentive to seek breed improvement. After several years of Charolais dominance in commercial bull sales, the industry started to move back to the British breeds, and it became much harder to sell ordinary Charolais cattle. The real breeders made the necessary changes and breed improvement increased at a very dramatic rate. Here in Canada, I think the Charolais breed may be almost ready to have another run at increasing popularity. I think many cattle producers are starting to really understand that British X Continental cross cattle really work well in our markets and our environment. For this reason, I think the Simmental will continue to have popularity for a few more years, and Charolais will see increasing popularity again. The British breeds will continue to be popular but quality will become more and more important, and we will see a larger percentage of lower quality bulls and females not selling in sales. This really isn't bad news as it should lead to breed improvement at a faster pace again.
 

SWMO

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Charolais are set to have a run in the States also JIT. 

As I have said several times before.  There is no better cross out there in terms of doing it all than the Red Angus x Charolais.  Maternal, marbling, feed effeciency and growth. IMO.

We used Braunvieh bulls many years ago when the first started and loved the maternal, the heat tolerance and the growth.  Calving was a little bit of an issue.  But the bigger issue with the braunvieh breed now is that they have bred alot of the good traits out of the breed trying to be black.
 

Torch

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mark tenenbaum said:
oakbar said:
Speckled Park---Go Baby!! Yea Buddy-did you get to see em in Denver? O0
Just another Angus cross. More evidence that if you need to improve a breed, you need to find an Angus bull. :eek:
 

Cowfarmer65

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Torch you should maybe do a little research on the breed. LOL...........There's more to the cattle industry than Angus...........where did they come from................A wee touch of Shorty to help make the Angus breed.........It's called breed history and you should look into it before you make too many claims.
 

Diamond

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with organic and grass fed becoming such a hot deal I would say Murray grays :) they may not be show cattle but they are phenomenal tasting.
 

Torch

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Cowfarmer65 said:
Torch you should maybe do a little research on the breed. LOL...........There's more to the cattle industry than Angus...........where did they come from................A wee touch of Shorty to help make the Angus breed.........It's called breed history and you should look into it before you make too many claims.

Did I step on a long tailed cat? Didn't say Angus were pure. Just saying....

Diamond said:
with organic and grass fed becoming such a hot deal I would say Murray grays :) they may not be show cattle but they are phenomenal tasting.

Now there's another Angus cross........(yes, .from a Shorty) 8)
 

LazyGLowlines

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the lowline cross (red angus, simmi, maines, etc.) are gaining in popularityl. We get alot of inquiries from commercial guys who want to downsize their cattle.  Those 1700+ cows are getting a little too big for some breeders, and they can breed to lowline bulls to downsize in (1) generation.  We bred one of our 2,000 lb hereford cows to a fullblood lowline bull and she produced a heifer (now a cow) that now weighs 1,300 lbs.  That's much easier to manage (and FEED) than her mama cow. And let's not forget about calving ease and hybrid vigor.  
 

Titangurl

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With what the halfbloods out of Steel Force are doing I'm definiately saying SimAngus all the way!!  You can't beat it, maternal, muscle and look all in one great package!!
 

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Titangurl said:
With what the halfbloods out of Steel Force are doing I'm definiately saying SimAngus all the way!!  You can't beat it, maternal, muscle and look all in one great package!!

One bull a breed does not make.  ;)
 

cebwtx

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I have Angus and some Hereford but I am looking into adding Simmental influence with my Angus.
 

LoVeShOrThOrNs

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The Shorthorn breed has definitely grown here in Colorado the past few years! At my county fair my family was the first in a long time to bring in multiples of shorthorns and now a lot of kids in my county are showing them....especially ShorthornPlus!!!!
 

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I can't figure out why if the Australians spent decades breeding the Low line strain and the North Americans thought it was such a treasure to find , why are the North Americans in such a hurry to mongeralize the line by allowing percentage cattle in the herd book?
 

LazyGLowlines

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Lowlines have (2) herdbooks; 1 for fullbloods (100% and DNA tested back to the original Australian herd) and 1 for percentages.  The percentage herdbook allowed cattlemen to utilize the lowline genetics on their commercial cattle for low birthweights, downsizing, hybrid vigor, etc.  The Australian registry didn't allow this and they haven't grown like the U.S., and the Canadian registry just introduced percentage cattle in the last couple years as a way to grow their breed. 
 

nck21

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For my commercial herd I use a Dream On son and lease a couple other simmental bulls to use on my Angus cows. Calves are low BW, gain good and sell well. I also have some Maine and Shorthorn cows and am starting to get into the clubby deal...we'll see how it goes...
 

knabe

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Show Heifer said:
Titangurl said:
With what the halfbloods out of Steel Force are doing I'm definiately saying SimAngus all the way!!  You can't beat it, maternal, muscle and look all in one great package!!

One bull a breed does not make.  ;)

it does if his name is justin morgan, or with thoroughbreds, 3 stallions, and dwindling to one.  lots of dogs are started the same way.  quarter horses are almost all doc bar now.
 

CJC

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JMO. The only problem I see with down sizing any breed is, It is a whole lot harder to come back up in size, Than it is to go down.

Down here in the south I think it is the Herefords and Charolais.
 
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