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ZNT

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I agree with so many things posted. Yes, people do know what they are signing up for, and yes the kids deserve more for their hard work. Houston does need to keep up with inflation, or at least correlated to fat cattle prices. The champions do not need much adjustment, but the class winners down should at least be able to make money on their projects. I also do believe that some of the scholarship money should go to the kids that work just as hard on their heifer projects.

Houston does put on the best show in the country, and have the best facilities and volunteers. Anyone that disagrees must go and see for yourself. Buyers are donating to the overall package when they buy in the sale, otherwise you would see prices more in line with Ft. Worth. But 20 years does deserve an evaluation on their part.
 

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I almost think Houston would be better off just cutting back on the amount of steers they brand so they could stop catching hell for low payouts on steers that would just get the gate at other shows.  It's starting to tarnish the entire show.
 

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Well after much consideration you guys make a good point about money not going to the kid and it is a true statement that there are a lot of jocks getting their hand in the pot. But I still believe that the person that exhibited the animal deserves a bigger piece of the pie. So maybe they get a full scholarship to the school of their choosing to be paid upon enrollment and renewed after grades are submitted and a GPA of 2.5 is maintained or $75K and if they choose the $75K then they become ineligible for any other scholarships so that money cam go to a junior breeding beef exhibitor, because those young people need help with school as well. And yes it seems to me that the kids down the line should be compensated to the point that they are not losing money, or at least minimize the loss. You can't keep people form spending an absurd amount of money on an animal and then end up in 4th place and expect them to break even. Seems like there is a solution to make the whole thing better, obviously I do not have the answers and would really like to get more participation from our local businesses in our county market sale before I worry to much about Huston which doesn't effect me at all.

I would like to go watch someday.
 

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Total for steer auction was over 3 million not counting the 2.5 million already raised by the committee. all cattle were already sold before they hit the auction block
 

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Like I said, I like the way the program runs and agree with why they did it that way.  The amount of scholarship available through Houston and these programs is incredible.  As was stated they instituted this program in '93 and the buyers have been well aware of where their money is going.  I just think a lot has changed since '93 so I think they should revisit how much is guaranteed to each place before putting all that money into Scholarship.  Heck I would even be ok with the champ staying at $75,000 as was said thats more than most adults make in a year and these are kids, and to those who said earlier that the winner out to get at least enough money to pay for college.  The kids that win the steer show at Houston are more than likely going to end up with a ton in scholarship anyway, so college isnt that big of a concern.  And for those who say that, what about the kid that has Supreme Heifer? Did they not work just as hard? They arent getting anything anywhere close to that, but nobody has complained about that.  I agree with what was said earlier, these people get into these projects knowing exactly what the Champion gets and I think it is plenty of money, I just think they should revisit the lower end of it.

Yep and my son won Breed Champion in the Scramble Show and got a nice buckle and trophy. I would like to see these kids get some premiums too. He finished 3rd in his class and will get only $3000.Don't take me wrong, this was a good experience but he lost about 2800.00 over the cost of feed, etc....  I think we will do San Antonio instead of Houston next year.
 

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I don't want to stir the pot or get off topic so feel free to answer this question by PM or point me to a source for the answer, but who is eligible for a scholarship from what I assume is the HLSR "foundation" or whatever the scholarship arm is called? I was aware that the GC got a flat amount of the sales price and the rest went to scholarships. I was under the impression the scholarships were for exhibitors or at least those pursuing ag related careers/education. Based on some of the comments on this thread it sounds like it may be more open than that or maybe just for Houston Area Youth regardless of ag interests. 
 

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https://www.rodeohouston.com/Scholarships/Scholarships.aspx


rf21970 said:
I don't want to stir the pot or get off topic so feel free to answer this question by PM or point me to a source for the answer, but who is eligible for a scholarship from what I assume is the HLSR "foundation" or whatever the scholarship arm is called? I was aware that the GC got a flat amount of the sales price and the rest went to scholarships. I was under the impression the scholarships were for exhibitors or at least those pursuing ag related careers/education. Based on some of the comments on this thread it sounds like it may be more open than that or maybe just for Houston Area Youth regardless of ag interests. 
 

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[size=10pt]Copy and pasted from an old cattle.com column.  This is still got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read about show cattle.

Honest Grand Champion Sale Interview

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 06, 2012 
By and large, the grand champions at the biggest of the big stock shows are just a bit like sausage.  They’re a great, inspiring story until you start looking into how they’re made.  That’s not to say that I don’t love putting a few links on the BBQ, I’d just prefer to not think about what exactly it is I’m eating most of the time.

That being said, once, just once, I’d like to see a kid that wins a Texas major be honest when they do that interview with the local press at the auction.  They always go the same way, some reporter who’s never touched a calf asks what the kid’s going to do with the money and the kid says “pay for college”.  The reporter asks where they’re going to go to school and if their grades are good enough they say Texas A&M...unless they're from the panhandle in which case they say Texas Tech.

What would an honest interview sound like?

Reporter - “So what are you going to do with the money?”

Kid - “I’m going to go to college of course.”

Reporter – “Oh wow, that is amazing, do you want to take a moment to say thank you to the buyers for supporting the youth in the state of Texas?”

Kid – “Well, about that, can I be honest with you?”

Reporter - “Sure, of course”

Kid – “I don’t want to mislead anybody, ‘supporting Texas youth’ might be a bit of a stretch here.  Yeah, sure, the people who actually profit from this whole game; the guy I bought the calf from, the guy he bought it from, the guy he bought the genetics from, and the sale managers and jocks that facilitated all of those sales may or may not have kids.  Some of them do, sure, but I saw that he did pretty good here in Ft Worth too.  The thing is, a very good portion of the net profit from all of this goes to professional show steer guys up in Oklahoma.  So sure, it sounds really good and all but I don’t know if that counts as supporting youth in the state of Texas.”

Reporter – “Professionals?”

Kid – “Yeah, the guys whose entire living is based on buying and selling these steers when they're babies.  There's nothing really wrong with it, this is a free country and there's a demand for it, I just don't want you guys to be mislead as to where this money actually goes.”

Reporter – “But you just said you were going to use the money for college?”

Kid - “Well, yeah, kind of.  My family is rich and paying for college was never going to be an issue for me.  Frankly, if I were really doing this for college money we wouldn’t have won because we wouldn’t have spent the money you have to in order to win. You see, my dad could have sent me to Texas A&M and had enough left over to send another kid as well if we’d have just saved the money we spent on this big guy here and put it in a savings account.  If we would have just not shown steers this year we could have sent half a dozen kids to school on really good scholarships.”

Reporter - “Ummmm…”

Kid - “And another thing, I know we just brought $xxx,xxx through the sale but please wish me luck down the road because I really need to win big at the next major too.”

Reporter - “WHAT? Why?”

Kid - “Well, you see, this isn’t the only $xx,xxx calf I have. We actually have a whole string of them at home, each of them likely worth more than your car, you know, being a journalism major and all.”

Reporter - “A string?”

Kid - “Yeah, we started out with a dozen $xx,xxx calves but sold a few to other rich families, sent a few to the auction barn because they didn't pan out, some just won't be good enough to win a major, and long story short, we’re down to only half a dozen or so of them now.”

Reporter - “ummm, back to you guys?

By Jeff


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Most folk's perception about how the Houston steer sale works is incorrect, including mine.  I have a source very, very, very close to the situation that explained it to me in detail.  It's much simpler than we all thought.  The money raised at and for the steer auction is all used for the steers in the sale.  Houston sells so many more calves than any other major (420 out of 1,776 this year = 23.65%).  That's nearly double the % of Fort Worth and San Antonio.  They only walk places 1-4 through the auction.  Essentially the champions and those placing calves have to raise enough money to pay for the price of all of the other branded calves.  They cut checks for the guaranteed minimums in late April/May.  If there is money left over (which there was in 2012 for the first time), a second check is sent out - the amount of money left over/the number of calves in the sale) later on (last year it was September).  That's where the money goes, not to the scholarship fund.  I used to think it went to the general scholarship fund also but it doesn't.

I don't remember off the top of my head for sure, but I think our second check last year was around $1800.  Also, you can't tell how much money there really is in the "pot" by watching the auction.  They raise a lot of money beforehand which is used in the sale + there's a lot of "new money" that shows up to the sale.

I wish every sale brought like Fort Worth, but they don't.  If you are averse to losing money on showing steers, buying and caring for calves that can make the sale at a Texas major is a bad idea.  It won't ever even out. 
 

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Yep and my son won Breed Champion in the Scramble Show and got a nice buckle and trophy. I would like to see these kids get some premiums too. He finished 3rd in his class and will get only $3000.Don't take me wrong, this was a good experience but he lost about 2800.00 over the cost of feed, etc....  I think we will do San Antonio instead of Houston next year.

FYI....If you are disappointed with the price your 3rd place finishing steer brought at Houston then my guess is you will be MORE THAN disappointed with what a 3rd place steer at San Antonio brings!  As Mr. Chambers pointed out, the Add On money used to bring up the sale price of the lower placing steers last year was very significant.  My son received an additional $1400 in the fall.  So when you do the math, a $1000 steer grossed $4200!  At least we broke even!  And, since you had a Scramble Steer, you started out with a $1500 advantage over the rest of us.  (lol) Bet that was the hardest you ever had to work for $1500.  BTW last year was not the first time Add On money was distributed at Houston.  It is however, the first time they distributed such a significant amount as my son has received amounts ranging from $600 to 900 in years past.  Regarding scholarships, if you want your child to earn a scholarship, especially at San Antonio, then I would strongly advise you get your child involved in more than the steer or heifer show.  SALE has many types of scholarship earning competitions.  I guarantee yall will have a much better chance to score a scholarship in one of those competitions!
 

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The above information is true but not 100% correct.  Our daughter's first sale at Houston, she had a 10th place AOB steer.  Since she was young and it was her first time to make a sale at a majorshe wanted the experience of being at the sale, so we took her back for it.  After fourth place, the animal does not walk across but the kids/ribbons can and do.  Our daughter was near the end and got a standing ovation from the bidders when she walked out.  She wanted them to know she was appreciative.  She did get the 2250, plus an additional $1100 about a month later.  Nearly every 2nd-3rd place steer at San Antonio brought 2000-3000 dollars, so don't think you are going to go there and make a lot of money (unless you are the champion or reserve).  I actually have a bigger problem with San Antonio and agree with the comments about heifers.  The kids showing heifers work just as hard, sometimes harder, for little to no payout.  We've had breed champion at several majors, where the highest payout was $800 and a couple airline tickets. Also had reserve breed champion at San Antonio and got a nice buckle but NO MONEY.  San Antonio steers bring a scholarship for Breed and Reserve, plus get to sell in the auction.  Seems like those scholarships (especially $8,000 for reserve breed steers x 16 breeds) could be used in the heifer show.  All that being said, there are no sour grapes here, what our daughter learned through these experiences were worth much more than the money!

By the way, the kids showing at Houston do get scholarships too, just not directly from showing a project.  Our daughter was a recipient of a $16,000 (FFA) scholarship through HLSR, as were MANY other FFA and 4-H kids that have shown there over the years! 
 
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I know this is kind of an old post but u just had to put my 50 cents in....I live in Florida. We don't have any major shows down here obviously, but we do have a state fair. I've read about all the complaints about the money you make in Houston, so I thought I might tell yall about the Florida State Fair.

First of all your steer has to be purchased from the fair board, Ranches from around the state sell the fair steers. You than fill out an application to show, once you have been selected you have to go to a care clinic, which is were you will select your steer. I've herd diffrent things on how the do the selecting, I think it's a drawing. Now these kids pay market price for these calves. Market price right now is 1500 for a 400 pound calf. Did I mention that the calves are all psycho? Like nuts fresh off the pasture. (Half won't make it because they never get them broke) ok so now you bought your steer right you raise him and pay for all the feed and supplies, than get to the fair were you sell. Well not so much the fair sells all calves to one buyer for market price, I believe this year's market price was 1.86$ a pound. Ohh yeah they don't pay for the calf on hoof either, they pay what the carcass weighs....so initially you loose a couple thousand dollars. Now you can make money by doing a test, demenstration, placing well and such. Usually about $300 maybe a little more? They don't plan to change there rules either because the elderly ppl running the show think it's a perfect system.....so if your ever in florida and want to watch a real show lol come by and watch the Florida State Fair steer show, you'll get to see some pretty crazy calves throw around young ppl and maybe appreciate the little bit of money you made out there A little more.

;D ;)

 

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FLTwistedCattle said:
I know this is kind of an old post but u just had to put my 50 cents in....I live in Florida. We don't have any major shows down here obviously, but we do have a state fair. I've read about all the complaints about the money you make in Houston, so I thought I might tell yall about the Florida State Fair.

First of all your steer has to be purchased from the fair board, Ranches from around the state sell the fair steers. You than fill out an application to show, once you have been selected you have to go to a care clinic, which is were you will select your steer. I've herd diffrent things on how the do the selecting, I think it's a drawing. Now these kids pay market price for these calves. Market price right now is 1500 for a 400 pound calf. Did I mention that the calves are all psycho? Like nuts fresh off the pasture. (Half won't make it because they never get them broke) ok so now you bought your steer right you raise him and pay for all the feed and supplies, than get to the fair were you sell. Well not so much the fair sells all calves to one buyer for market price, I believe this year's market price was 1.86$ a pound. Ohh yeah they don't pay for the calf on hoof either, they pay what the carcass weighs....so initially you loose a couple thousand dollars. Now you can make money by doing a test, demenstration, placing well and such. Usually about $300 maybe a little more? They don't plan to change there rules either because the elderly ppl running the show think it's a perfect system.....so if your ever in florida and want to watch a real show lol come by and watch the Florida State Fair steer show, you'll get to see some pretty crazy calves throw around young ppl and maybe appreciate the little bit of money you made out there A little more.

;D ;)
Are you sure about that?  I sold a steer to kid in Florida 3 years ago and it was 2nd place at your state steer show.  I am from Texas.
 

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While we are giving "updates", this information is likely useful to many parents trying to decide just what their budgets are for buying calves.  You certainly can't count on making the sale at Texas majors, but placing calves pay pretty decent money nowadays. If you wonder why steer jocks have jacked up prices tremendously this year, keep on reading.....

My boys branded four steers this year:

Two crossbred steers at Fort Worth - a 3rd and 7th.  3rd brought $9769 and 7th brought $9371.  They sell by the pound and most of that difference was in weight.  There is some fluctuation in prices for placing calves, but Fort Worth does a wonderful job of keeping the price up through the sale.  They also pay quick - show is first week of Feb and we had checks on Mar. 4.

First place Class 3 Chi at San Antonio - Paid $7396.  He brought $3500 in the ring, you keep market price, plus they tacked on the difference at the end.  We had no idea how much we were getting till we got the check on April 2.  For a little humor, my son had to write like 60 thank you notes to all of the individuals that contributed to that total price.  His hand was about ready to fall off.

6th Place Class 4 AOB - check for $2250 should come around end of May.  A bonus check will come in September, should be bigger than last year.  I suspect total price on calf will be around $6K.
 

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My 14 daughter had a steer for the county in the Fall and we thought it would be a good experience for her to feed one out for Houston.  The dad and daughter struggle was real: sports, homework, feeding, washing, training, etc..After county was over, we still had the Houston steer and boy did she get pushed.  By the time Houston rolled around, she fed up with raising show animals and never wanted to show another steer in her life!  Houston steer was $2k and roughly $ 1k in feed.

He was a decent steer, didn't get pulled for top ten but we got him ready just the same.  She was upset, disappointed but is ready to go back.  Lots of people, kids getting animals ready, sitting around the show box cuttin up and most if not all are decent hard working people and I enjoy talking to them.  For us, its all about the experience of the Big Show.  Now we hate to lose but showing animals is a good life lesson cause you are going to have failures in life but you have to keep going and never give up.  We have a steer and heifer on feed for the Fall county and plan on getting one soon for Houston. 

We just got our Houston check and it was $2,050.  Did we lose money?, yes!  But, the closeness you experience with the highs and lows has been priceless.
 

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FLTwistedCattle said:
I know this is kind of an old post but u just had to put my 50 cents in....I live in Florida. We don't have any major shows down here obviously, but we do have a state fair. I've read about all the complaints about the money you make in Houston, so I thought I might tell yall about the Florida State Fair.

First of all your steer has to be purchased from the fair board, Ranches from around the state sell the fair steers. You than fill out an application to show, once you have been selected you have to go to a care clinic, which is were you will select your steer. I've herd diffrent things on how the do the selecting, I think it's a drawing. Now these kids pay market price for these calves. Market price right now is 1500 for a 400 pound calf. Did I mention that the calves are all psycho? Like nuts fresh off the pasture. (Half won't make it because they never get them broke) ok so now you bought your steer right you raise him and pay for all the feed and supplies, than get to the fair were you sell. Well not so much the fair sells all calves to one buyer for market price, I believe this year's market price was 1.86$ a pound. Ohh yeah they don't pay for the calf on hoof either, they pay what the carcass weighs....so initially you loose a couple thousand dollars. Now you can make money by doing a test, demenstration, placing well and such. Usually about $300 maybe a little more? They don't plan to change there rules either because the elderly ppl running the show think it's a perfect system.....so if your ever in florida and want to watch a real show lol come by and watch the Florida State Fair steer show, you'll get to see some pretty crazy calves throw around young ppl and maybe appreciate the little bit of money you made out there A little more.

;D ;)


I agree. I show in GA. The Georgia National Fair has around 1000 head of cattle shown every year. The Grand prize for the Grand Champion steer is $5000. So I think that these kids would be more than pleased with a cut of $75,000. Texas shows are considered "big time" for most that show out here. We have nowhere near the payouts that Texas does. A class winning steer is $50. That would pay for a couple bags of show feed. Whereas you guys have been talking about paying about market value for the steers. We would get nowhere near even that.
 
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Possum Trot Ranch said:
FLTwistedCattle said:
I know this is kind of an old post but u just had to put my 50 cents in....I live in Florida. We don't have any major shows down here obviously, but we do have a state fair. I've read about all the complaints about the money you make in Houston, so I thought I might tell yall about the Florida State Fair.

First of all your steer has to be purchased from the fair board, Ranches from around the state sell the fair steers. You than fill out an application to show, once you have been selected you have to go to a care clinic, which is were you will select your steer. I've herd diffrent things on how the do the selecting, I think it's a drawing. Now these kids pay market price for these calves. Market price right now is 1500 for a 400 pound calf. Did I mention that the calves are all psycho? Like nuts fresh off the pasture. (Half won't make it because they never get them broke) ok so now you bought your steer right you raise him and pay for all the feed and supplies, than get to the fair were you sell. Well not so much the fair sells all calves to one buyer for market price, I believe this year's market price was 1.86$ a pound. Ohh yeah they don't pay for the calf on hoof either, they pay what the carcass weighs....so initially you loose a couple thousand dollars. Now you can make money by doing a test, demenstration, placing well and such. Usually about $300 maybe a little more? They don't plan to change there rules either because the elderly ppl running the show think it's a perfect system.....so if your ever in florida and want to watch a real show lol come by and watch the Florida State Fair steer show, you'll get to see some pretty crazy calves throw around young ppl and maybe appreciate the little bit of money you made out there A little more.

;D ;)
Are you sure about that?  I sold a steer to kid in Florida 3 years ago and it was 2nd place at your state steer show.  I am from Texas.


We actually have 3 state shows, the North Florida Fair, the South Florida Fair and the Florida state fair. The North and South Florida fairs you can get your steer from any where you would like, you usually get around $3lbs depending on the buyer. Florida State Fair is strictly buy from them, they want everyone to start on level ground I guess. They can make around $500 in award money**
 
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