I really don't need the abuse but I am going to do it anyway

[RyanChandler]

So no references? Imagine that.  You can blow smoke up everyones ass and deflect and write paragraphs about irrelevancies but you ‘won’t bother to go on and on’ to answer a direct question.  That’s as telling as it gets folks.

Those that heed my warnings of what you and your cattle are all about will all be better off.  It’s essentially an obligation of those who have first hand experience to speak up and warn the unsuspecting who might be inclined to fall prey to your rainbows and butterflies bs. 

For those who may not be familiar with your reruns.  Here’s a classic http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/a-bull-that-can-cross-the-boundaries-between-clubbie-and-cowboy-cattle/ 

Would I’d be safe at this point to call him a total bust?  The bull that was to save the world and merge the lines not having even one notable offspring.

 

[RyanChandler]

Maybe I should have checked the ASA website first, but so far my memory has been pretty good.  In case you're interested, HC Tracer has a - 5.0 BEPD with over 200 calves recorded sired by him.  He is still shown as active at over 11 years of age, though only 1 2018 calf was registered by him.  Lots of them over the years prior to that.  Tracer has pretty good numbers across the board.  I don't know of very many bulls with that kind of BEPD that approach 200 recorded offspring.  If you don't believe me, call Bob or look it up yourself.

I have no reason not to believe you.  You seem honest from my take on here.  So we’ve got 1 bull bred over a decade ago.  Ok. Reasonable.  Would 1 in a decade be consistent with the ‘strata of cattle breeders’ he alone places himself in? 

There’s just a massive disconnect between his claims and what can actually be objectively substantiated.  Conjecture suits most but I’m more inclined to dal with those who have first hand dealings. 

 

[justintime]

So no references? Imagine that.  You can blow smoke up everyones ass and deflect and write paragraphs about irrelevancies but you ‘won’t bother to go on and on’ to answer a direct question.  That’s as telling as it gets folks.

Those that heed my warnings of what you and your cattle are all about will all be better off.  It’s essentially an obligation of those who have first hand experience to speak up and warn the unsuspecting who might be inclined to fall prey to your rainbows and butterflies bs. 

For those who may not be familiar with your reruns.  Here’s a classic http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/a-bull-that-can-cross-the-boundaries-between-clubbie-and-cowboy-cattle/ 

Would I’d be safe at this point to call him a total bust?  The bull that was to save the world and merge the lines not having even one notable offspring.

I chose NOT to make any references in my post and I think that is the only fair thing to do to my customers. I certainly am not going to bring them into this discussion so you can bash them as well. You have to be totally NUTS if you think I am going start giving you a list of names. Probably what I should do, is list the names of people who keep contacting me, and apologizing to me for what you keep saying about me.  I will put my reputation against yours any day of the week, and I don't think I should have to be accountable to someone with about the worst reputation I have ever heard of in my 50+ years of breeding purebred Shorthorns. You don't like me. That is fine with me.  I have lots of other people who seem to think I am an OK person, and I will say that I am NOT a liar. I only state the facts as I have seen them. You bashed a bull that I used for several years and basically said nothing would ever come from him that would amount to anything. I sold him to another breeder at 8 years of age and I found out that he died a couple weeks ago. The people who bought him, just finalized buying all the semen that remains on him. One of the breeders in Ireland that purchased the European rights in him just emailed me and wants some more semen. I can't send any to him, because it is all sold now.
On another recent thread, there was a discussion as to where everyone has gone to on Steerplanet. I stayed out of that thread, but I will only say that a lot of people have left because of the attitudes of some of the regulars on this site, who have never set the world on fire breeding anything in their lives. A few of these people , including xbar, seem to only comment with negative comments. Very seldom will you see a post where they agree with something, and almost never will you see them mention any animal that they have raised that anyone who consider to be good for the beef industry.  We all have the freedom to use whatever bloodlines we want to. None of us have to be bashed and bullied by people like you, who have basically done squat in regards to producing cattle that are being sought out by others.
In the past hour, I have received another 3 texts from well known American cattlemen (not all are Sharthorn breeders) saying some pretty nasty things about you. I wasn't even going to respond to your ridiculous comments in your previous posts and then I ready where you slammed my honesty. That is where I draw the line. I have done everything in my life based on my reputation, and I consider my reputation to be my most valuable asset. Obviously, you don't care about your reputation, as you can just sit in front of your computer and make up any comments you dream up. Ryan, we live over 1200 miles apart. There is room for us both to raise whatever kind of cattle we want to. I simply cannot imagine what you are trying to prove here. You have damaged your own reputation beyond anything I have ever saw before. I will make you one promise. If you post pictures of some of the cattle you have raised that you think are the right kind, and I do not like the looks of them, I will not comment what I think on a public page such as this. If I like your pictures, I will definitely comment that I like them/ That is one of the big differences between us.
I could really care less, if I ever sell bulls to purebred producers. I have said this in the past, and I think  the same today, that, for me,  there really is no feeling quite as good as seeing cattlemen, who raise their families entirely from the calves they produce, bidding and buying bulls in your sale. It Is even better, when they return and buy some more. Ryan... you are a grown man... please grow up! I really haven't decided if I feel pity for you... or sorry for you... or both!

 

[mark tenenbaum]

The "classic" thread from 9 years ago awt to be in Faros next blog when it comes to cattle size and production-Hes more or less the self appointed conservatoire of small cows on grass-I sent him an email showing the Blue Greys and Highland cross cattle in Scotland -Northen England and Ireland-no response yet-they are the originals from as far back as the late 18th century-probably the last of the pure cattle over there,So whos thinking OUTSIDE THE BOX NOW? LOL O0

 

[RyanChandler]

Quit promoting cow killers as viable options to new unsuspecting people and you won’t hear from me.  Keep up your swindling bullshit and I’ll make a point to provide context every time.  Your livelihood is contingent on taking advantage of good people who get suckered into your rosey stories, buy a bull, have disasterous experiences, and never go back.  The saddest part being that, for fear of reprisal, these people just keep their head down and go on their mundane way not looking to ruffle any feathers.  Not me.  F- that.  I have zero concern about what your Barney friends think of my reputation nor do I don’t need anybody else’s money.  I actually have a secure occupation where I don’t have to exaggerate and carry on for days about the labor— you see in the world I live in all people care about is showing them the baby.  Tangible products and results as opposed to your unsubstantiated salesman ramblings about how great you are.    Your only saving grace is that you inherited your existence and happen to be in an industry with little to no objective checks and balances and even less recourse for lying out your ass.  So remember, next time you put on your cowboy hat, get that leprechaun accent going as thick as you can get it and start that deceptive salesman talk you so frequently resort to, look for me,,, because I’ll be there.  Every.  single.  time. Warning any and all who’ll listen.

 

[justintime]

More assumptions on your part Ryan. If you had any idea of what my family and I have been through, you may think before you say some of the things you said here. Actually I have had to pay for my farm twice, and thanks to my cows I do not owe 1 red cent to anyone now, except for a small balance on one credit card. I would never promote a bull that was a cow killer. Believe me, I would rather ship the bull and toss any semen before I did this. I invested a fair bit of money in two different bulls in the past few years that I shipped after seeing their calves. I will also remind you, that if we ever have a chance of regaining market share in bull use by Shorthorns, we can't just produce bulls as good as any other breed, but we have to produce bulls better than the breeds we are trying to gain the market share from. In a previous comment, I mentioned my best bull buyer. The first year I sold bulls to him, I also had a herd of 100 purebred Charolais cows. He came here to look at Charolais bulls. He bought 3 Charolais bulls and 2 Shorthorn bulls that day. Two years later, he started only buying Shorthorn bulls and he now also uses some Angus and Simmental bulls to keep some hybrid vigor in his herd, but he would be the first to tell you, that his Shorthorn sired calves are born as easily as either the Angus and Simmental sired calves. Another bull customer, who runs over 800 cows turned a Shorthorn bull out with a Polled Hereford bull with a set of yearling heifers. I kinda held my breath, because I did not consider the Shorthorn bull he bought from me, as being a good choice for heifers. He told me the next spring, that he wished the Shorthorn bull had bred all the heifers as he had far more calving problems from the Polled Hereford bull.
You can spread all the hate you want against me. As I said, I only took the time to respond because you are making comments on my integrity and that is where I draw the line. I have had a couple people send messages telling me to get a lawyer and sue you for what you have said, but I am too old to get that concerned about a bottom feeder like you.
Like I have said numerous times now, I would not hesitate to ship a  so called cow killer. I find it interesting that you have now called 3 different bulls I have commented on, as being cow killers, and I have yet to have a single calf from any of them require assistance except for a malpresentation. Two years ago, I did not touch a single calf at birth, which was the first time ever. Last year I only assisted two at calving. Both we cows I was keeping for another person but my own cows all were unassisted. I have said enough. I am quite sure I won't shut you up!

 

[doc-sun]

you can't shut up an XPERT whether they know anything or not.

 

[RyanChandler]

you can't shut up an XPERT whether they know anything or not.

Yea god forbid anybody get in the way of yalls shamless plugs.  Salesman: the wretched of the earth.

 

[justintime]

I took a few pics of some Cruiser calves this afternoon.

The first one ( red and white markings) was the lightest bull calf we had at 75 lbs. He was born unassisted from a 2 year old heifer on February 24/18. The dam is a daughter of Waukaru Orion 2047 from the Picture Perfect cow family. He was weaned on October 25th and had a weaning weight of 504 lbs. No creep was fed to any of these calves.

The white bull was the heaviest Cruiser bull calf born in 2018. He was born March 13/18 and had a BW of 90 lbs. He weaned October 25/18 and weighed 632 lbs ( no creep) His dam is a two year old daughter of HC Bedrock 73B who is a low BW sire as well. There was 128 lbs difference between the lightest BW and the heaviest BW at weaning, with no difference in calving ease.

The red heifer was born March 3/18. She was the heaviest Cruiser heifer at 92 lbs and was born from a mature cow. She is a First Kiss cow from Waukaru. She weighed 646 lbs on October 25th ( no creep).

All the Cruiser calves have been unassisted at birth so far, with no visible differences in calving ease. The weaning weights were very consistent with the calves BWs, that is the lighter BW calves were also the lightest at weaning. I am weighing all the calves next week and it will be interesting to see if this pattern has continued after weaning.

This kind obviously won't work for xbar, but I think they will work for what I am trying to do. Hopefully they will also work for my customers. 

I have mentioned this here on SP before, but for the past 12 years now, I have weighed all my bulls every 28 days from weaning to our sale date in March. It has been interesting to see some trends. There has been many sires represented in these bulls. Counting the bulls in the pen this year, I have records on 404 bulls. The only bulls that go into the pen are those who were born unassisted  or have needed assistance because of a malpresentation such as a foot back, a head back or a backwards calf etc. If I help a calf, it does not get into the bull pen unless I feel it would have been born unassisted if it had been presented correctly. In 12 years of test figures, I have yet to find a single bull that was in the bottom 50% of my birthweights that has indexed over 100 for postweaning gain. NOT... A... Single... One!  I still offer the lower performing bulls as they are good choices for breeding heifers. Cruiser did not make the 100 index ( average in the pen ) the year he was in it. He was my high seller because of his shape and muscle. This is why I have been saying, that we should be talking more about optimum birth weights rather than minimums. The trend I am seeing may be more pronounced in the Shorthorn breed, I don't know. I have talked with lots of people in other breeds and most tell me that they occasionally see a very light BW bull with above average performance. I keep hoping I will eventually find one. I am starting to think that almost everything in life is best in moderation, and that includes birth weights.

 

[aj]

I know that I have spent 4 months or so trying to photograph a bull. After about 500 shots and three months.....I came up with the perfect photo. Half of the photo's sucked. But I could put two photos......of the same bull up.....taken on the same day......and they don't even look like same bull.

 

[justintime]

I know that I have spent 4 months or so trying to photograph a bull. After about 500 shots and three months.....I came up with the perfect photo. Half of the photo's sucked. But I could put two photos......of the same bull up.....taken on the same day......and they don't even look like same bull.

That is exactly why I had a lady who takes cattle pictures for a living take the picture of Cruiser that I posted. I have tried to do it by myself, and I have never had any that looked as good as the bull does. Her exact words were " he is the stoutest Shorthorn bull I have ever laid eyes on'. Her family has been in the beef business for generations and she takes pictures throughout Canada.
What you have said here is exactly right. We almost froze to death picturing last week when it was -25 and windy so I took some more today. It still took me a long time to feel my fingers when I came into the house, but I did get some taken. Sometimes you have to take several pictures to get one that even looks like the animal actually does.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didn’t crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all I’m saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big “commercial” type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. I’ve never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. That’s a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. I’ve never been to either place. Never seen JIT’s cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didn’t like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldn’t be looked upon as an attack on somebody. It’s reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Can’t say he hasn’t done his share of winning up there. Can’t begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, it’s a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless it’s a personal beef I can’t see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isn’t very long compared to angus. I’ve seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I don’t know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just don’t know of any.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Pretty on the mark E 6-When it comes down to it-though-there really isnt much available on HC genetics at SEK or Cattle Visions etc other than Touchdown: so the small breeders may not feel like hunting the genetics down-Why the Paint Valleys Bylands jungels and leveldales of the world dont use these genetics probably stems from the fact that JITs deal is not strictly a performance herd-they are purebreds-that right or wrong  also integrate show-popular cattle genetics-and as such have some NON-PERFORMANCE BASED breeding-such as Sull Salute, popular Canadian blood like Pure Gold, Shadybrook etc.  yatta yatta.He did produce several good CE bulls along the way too-but none of them were readily (or easily) available down here-Touchdown is about it down here: he is a hit or miss bull on US Genetics JMO-But he REALLY worked on a couple commercial simm based cows at least when we used him the females kept are good cows- he was an EZ calver and was used on  several heifers-live calves-but they went to the sale barn a bust on the shorthorns I used him on-just didnt knick on them thats about all the experience i have Bollums in Minnesota used a bunch of embryos etc from the female side-so have some of the guys like Ralph Larson (I think) in Montana tho that may be OKOTOCS cattle tooO0

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

I’ve seen more of a co- mingle type situation unfolding more lately than ever. JSF has 4 Cates bulls in their sale. Cates is issuing a Leveldale bred bull. There is a bull in the Leveldale sale, Boardwalk x Maestro with a big ol rear hip. Lot 13 I think. PVF drove out to Shelly Peterson’s to buy the Eagle bull. And that’s a long ass drive. The performance type breeders aren’t afraid to plug in a show type bull. It’s not hard to find those examples in the sale books. They’ll dive the distance and spend the cash if they think the bull is worth it. 

A bull as stout as Cruiser looks should be bred to a SULL Red Knight cow down here. Maybe Gilmans Envied on one of JIt’s cows in a flush would be cool.

 

[justintime]

Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didn’t crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all I’m saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big “commercial” type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. I’ve never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. That’s a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. I’ve never been to either place. Never seen JIT’s cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didn’t like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldn’t be looked upon as an attack on somebody. It’s reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Can’t say he hasn’t done his share of winning up there. Can’t begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, it’s a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless it’s a personal beef I can’t see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isn’t very long compared to angus. I’ve seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I don’t know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just don’t know of any.

I agree with you in regards to Cruiser's buyers deciding not to sell a half interest for what they paid for him. That was their decision and I had no part in it. I was not involved in Cruiser other than I had collected a few straws of semen when he was a year old. When the man that bought him died suddenly, his wife asked me if I would winter a set of replacement heifers for her. She offered me a half interest in Cruiser to do this. I accepted her offer and I am glad I did. I would love to use some bulls that you have mentioned here, but very few Americans collect Canadian qualified semen.
I have not pursued the US market for several years, and Touchdown is the last bull I had at Cattle Visions. I still get quarterly checks from them for sales. I prefer to sell semen myself, only because it gives me a connection with the people who are using my bulls. I have semen stored at Hawkeye Breeders and I have my bulls listed on our website and I still seem to sell a nice quantity each year. I also have semen from 8-10 bulls in Australia, and I sell far more semen there than I ever thought of selling in the US. Like I said earlier, my customers are basically commercial producers, but I have a few sales each year to purebred breeders. My top bull in 2015 was $32,000 and another at $14,000. Cruiser was the top bull in 2016 at $16,500. Last year, my top bull was $11,000. Last year I had commercial buyers pay $9000, $8000 and two at $7000 and these are prices I can certainly live off.  When I started my ET program, it didn't make much sense to me, to do the same thing as everyone else was doing. I have used some American breeding but I don't chase it. I don't particularly try to produce show cattle which is what most everyone else seems to try to do. The UK and Australia are my biggest embryo markets with several hundred embryos sold to the UK each year. Australia has been close but the wicked drought has slowed that market down some. I still am selling embryos down there though. I am doing things differently than lots of others do. The fact that since I started in this ET deal, as a way to get to genetics to the US when BSE hit Canada, I have sold over 2400 embryos to 14 countries is something I never imagined would happen. I think it proves that there is a definite interest in Shorthorn embryos around the world. I predict that the Far East countries like Viet Nam, and Mongolia could be the next big market that shows up. Both these countries have been buying thousands of doses of Red Angus semen in Canada in recent years. I recently had a Mongolian government official meet with me, and he is very interested in Shorthorn genetics some time in the future.

 

[mark tenenbaum]

Yea-Jits females have been around down here alot more than the bulls-Id read between the lines a little on the Jungles Cates deal-Cates just won Denver female show with 15 year old same (in this case Im saying it) old COW KILLER GENETICS and like some of the other big money breeders-they need some street cred birth wieght and otherwise the numbers are not gonna be in thier favor much longer (and shoudnt be-STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE THAT) RE CF Solution and a flotilla of other MISREPRESENTED BULLS-i like Envied -especially on something real wide made from the rear-dont think hed knick on the Jit stuff Ive seen-Its too bad he wasnt around when the ground pounders like the Double visions, Navajos, Steer makers, Stuffs, Windstars,Okie Dokies, Double Downs etc were around-Hed work GANGBUSTERS ON THEM-just like 4S Impact shaker and the Dividends Impact influenced cattle did-Dividends Impact was the strongest blood ive seen in a bull-EVERYTHING LOOKED JUST LIKE HIM-so does Envied-its back there-but the resemblance is unmistakeable so is the color of Impacts best known son 3 W Payoff-who color wise looked just like a fullblood maine and he was polled too-HOWED THAT HAPPEN LOL?O0

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Seems to me that Grants sale has a sale average that would put him right there with Saskvalley and Muridale sale averages. I didn’t crunch true numbers. Generally speaking is all I’m saying. I see lots of saskvalley and muridale genetucs being used down here. Almost every big “commercial” type sale here has offspring of genetics from sask and Muri. Studer, JSF, Bar N, Leveldale, BSG, Paint Valley, all have used those genetics heavily. I’ve never seen an HC bull being plugged in lately. Seems to me the HC cattle could be a nice outcross to those other ranches but you never see it in any of their pedigrees. I could be wrong. The JT Trans X bull must of done some good. That’s a outfit that sells in Grants sale. I see lots of criss cross from the saskvalley and Muri programs. Similar environments maybe. I’ve never been to either place. Never seen JIT’s cows. Done lots of deals with XBAR and have some of his cattle here now. He had a bull calf hand picked for me. He didn’t like how the calf was developing so he sent me a different bull. His opinion on bulls and his experience shouldn’t be looked upon as an attack on somebody. It’s reality. Grant has a good thing going with his embryos and semen sales. He does good at the shows up there. Can’t say he hasn’t done his share of winning up there. Can’t begrudge a mans success. I think the disconnect comes when another post comes up claiming a world beater of a bull with minimal evidence to back it up. If I pay 16k for a bull and somebody offers me 16k for half soon after, it’s a ridiculous business decision to say no. Ridiculous. Unless it’s a personal beef I can’t see why somebody would say no. How many shorthorn bulls have sold 16k in semen? Offspring? That list isn’t very long compared to angus. I’ve seen angus bulls bring 18,500 at a local sale in Ohio! Never seen a shorthorn bull bring more than 3500 at anything smaller than a beef expo. I don’t know if any outfit here that sells every bull they have for sale. Maybe some do. I just don’t know of any.

I agree with you in regards to Cruiser's buyers deciding not to sell a half interest for what they paid for him. That was their decision and I had no part in it. I was not involved in Cruiser other than I had collected a few straws of semen when he was a year old. When the man that bought him died suddenly, his wife asked me if I would winter a set of replacement heifers for her. She offered me a half interest in Cruiser to do this. I accepted her offer and I am glad I did. I would love to use some bulls that you have mentioned here, but very few Americans collect Canadian qualified semen.
I have not pursued the US market for several years, and Touchdown is the last bull I had at Cattle Visions. I still get quarterly checks from them for sales. I prefer to sell semen myself, only because it gives me a connection with the people who are using my bulls. I have semen stored at Hawkeye Breeders and I have my bulls listed on our website and I still seem to sell a nice quantity each year. I also have semen from 8-10 bulls in Australia, and I sell far more semen there than I ever thought of selling in the US. Like I said earlier, my customers are basically commercial producers, but I have a few sales each year to purebred breeders. My top bull in 2015 was $32,000 and another at $14,000. Cruiser was the top bull in 2016 at $16,500. Last year, my top bull was $11,000. Last year I had commercial buyers pay $9000, $8000 and two at $7000 and these are prices I can certainly live off.  When I started my ET program, it didn't make much sense to me, to do the same thing as everyone else was doing. I have used some American breeding but I don't chase it. I don't particularly try to produce show cattle which is what most everyone else seems to try to do. The UK and Australia are my biggest embryo markets with several hundred embryos sold to the UK each year. Australia has been close but the wicked drought has slowed that market down some. I still am selling embryos down there though. I am doing things differently than lots of others do. The fact that since I started in this ET deal, as a way to get to genetics to the US when BSE hit Canada, I have sold over 2400 embryos to 14 countries is something I never imagined would happen. I think it proves that there is a definite interest in Shorthorn embryos around the world. I predict that the Far East countries like Viet Nam, and Mongolia could be the next big market that shows up. Both these countries have been buying thousands of doses of Red Angus semen in Canada in recent years. I recently had a Mongolian government official meet with me, and he is very interested in Shorthorn genetics some time in the future.

Highest selling bull I know of from Canada was Thermal Energy. What happened to your 32k bull? I honestly don’t remember the Bull you speak of. Americans pay good money for bulls. The UK prefers bigger cattle. Australia seems to as well but not to the extreme of the uk. Americans want 6 frame at most, thick, easy calving cattle.  That’s why Mark always wants to see them from behind.

 

[trevorgreycattleco]

Yea-Jits females have been around down here alot more than the bulls-Id read between the lines a little on the Jungles Cates deal-Cates just won Denver female show with 15 year old same (in this case Im saying it) old COW KILLER GENETICS and like some of the other big money breeders-they need some street cred birth wieght and otherwise the numbers are not gonna be in thier favor much longer (and shoudnt be-STEVIE WONDER COULD SEE THAT) RE CF Solution and a flotilla of other MISREPRESENTED BULLS-i like Envied -especially on something real wide made from the rear-dont think hed knick on the Jit stuff Ive seen-Its too bad he wasnt around when the ground pounders like the Double visions, Navajos, Steer makers, Stuffs, Windstars,Okie Dokies, Double Downs etc were around-Hed work GANGBUSTERS ON THEM-just like 4S Impact shaker and the Dividends Impact influenced cattle did-Dividends Impact was the strongest blood ive seen in a bull-EVERYTHING LOOKED JUST LIKE HIM-so does Envied-its back there-but the resemblance is unmistakeable so is the color of Impacts best known son 3 W Payoff-who color wise looked just like a fullblood maine and he was polled too-HOWED THAT HAPPEN LOL?O0

The JSF/ CF bull deal is what it is. The bulls in the sale are straight CF breeding. You can’t sell a bull very well in Modoc. But in the Dakotas you can. Can’t be much difference in environment from JIT to JSF. Yet the cattle sure are different in type.

The Envied bull has made some nice calves from what I’ve seen and he’s available to the mere mortals. The Sneed cows have made some good offspring.

 

[justintime]

Highest selling bull I know of from Canada was Thermal Energy. What happened to your 32k bull? I honestly don’t remember the Bull you speak of. Americans pay good money for bulls. The UK prefers bigger cattle. Australia seems to as well but not to the extreme of the uk. Americans want 6 frame at most, thick, easy calving cattle.  That’s why Mark always wants to see them from behind.
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Our bull at $32,000 was HC Bluebook 22B. He sold to a show outfit in Ontario. The runner up was a well known purebred herd in Canada, and there was at least 1 commercial man who I saw bid to over $18,000 on him. When I spoke with him after the sale, he said he has just sold 700 calves and averaged almost $1600 on them( the highest cattle market we have seen here in history), so I think he had some coin in his pocket that day. He did buy 4 bulls that day with a high of $9850 and the other 3 in the $4000- 5500 range. This guy is another repeat customer and he has bought bulls the last 3 sales for his herd of 800 black cows in Manitoba. I have attached a picture of Bluebook taken at 13 months of age. I have semen from him in Canada, USA and Australia. Unlike lots of American bulls that sell for good money and have syndicates formed to do so, The buyer of Bluebook was one breeder and an AI unit in Ireland. In order for semen to go to any EU country, they must be IBR negative, which means they cannot be vaccinated with IBR vaccine. I had not vaccinated Bluebook as I was trying to get another bull that would qualify for Europe. When this happened, I agreed to forgo their share of the purchase price and I took back ownership of the semen rights in him. It worked out OK for me, as I have sold just over $20,000 of semen in Canada, and close to $8000 in Australia as well as about $3000 in the US.

 

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Oh I remember him. Didn’t the shorthorn place with the Clydesdales buy him?